Jontez Williams out for the year

[danvillecyclone]

Perhaps they did an MRI and it was worse than anticipated? Not sure why you think anyone has to be called full of ****.

This is exactly what happens.

Sideline orthopedic tests can certainly suggest ACL tears. sometimes initial swelling can limit motion which makes the orthopedic tests showing false negative.

Keep in mind there are partial tears and full thickness tears. Pain levels also can vary. Most can still walk and move , especially with partial tears.

It’s best to wait a couple of days for the swelling to subside to get the MRI so you can see the structures better.

That’s what happened. Then it was consult for what’s best for Jontez.

wishing him all the best and a full recovery!

I know he will!

Go Cyclones!

 

[RagingCloner]

On Williams and Blum they said he could go back in and now he is out for the year.

not going to act like I am in the know or know what they had heard post-game. Maybe they were just relaying info from the staff. I'm sure they will address it on a future pod.

Going forward, I (respectfully) think they're full of **** when it comes to injuries. Includes the staff and anyone in the "know".

Phew, I was starting to miss your ******** takes

 

[ClonerJams]

I think its fair to question why he was still in the game, but at the same time I can kind of understand the explanation of getting used to rotations without Cooper. At the end of the day it stinks and I feel awful for Jontez.

If I'm going to put on my optimist cap, it will speed up the development of Quentin Taylor and Beni Ngoyi.

Also, fun fact about Quentin Taylor that I was unaware of until reading his profile on Cyclones.com
"Nephew of Brandon Merriweather, a 2007 first round NFL Draft pick by the New England Patriots and a two-time Pro Bowl safety"

 

[rosshm16]

I don’t personally know how hard it is to recover from those kinds of injuries, but really feel for those guys who would kill to be back on the field and have long roads ahead of them.

I literally need to remind myself to log out for a bit - I have faith in Campbell/Heacock to make the best out of it, but these injuries are still impacting my sanity

I've heard from colleagues who are into this kind of work/science that the current clinical consensus on full recovery for return-to-sport after a major ACL injury (full tear, surgical reconstruction) is actually two years (!!).

For someone like me (middle-aged washed-up / never-was ) that is certainly feasible, if I manage to tear my ACL then I can find other less risky ways of exercise and fitness for a couple years besides playing sports.

For an athlete in high school or college who has limited eligibility, obviously they're not going to sit out that long, or in the NFL where contracts aren't guaranteed and it's your livelihood on the line.

Perhaps they did an MRI and it was worse than anticipated? Not sure why you think anyone has to be called full of ****.

Relatedly, there are different severities of ACL tears, it's not just "full tear, can hardly walkl" or "totally fine". You can have a partial tear that you can move around on pretty well but no way you're playing major conference football on it, and the recovery for return-to-play can still be very long even if they don't need surgery. I'm no expert but I would guess Jontez had something along those lines.

 

[TitanClone]

This is exactly what happens.

Sideline orthopedic tests can certainly suggest ACL tears. sometimes initial swelling can limit motion which makes the orthopedic tests showing false negative.

Keep in mind there are partial tears and full thickness tears. Pain levels also can vary. Most can still walk and move , especially with partial tears.

It’s best to wait a couple of days for the swelling to subside to get the MRI so you can see the structures better.

That’s what happened. Then it was consult for what’s best for Jontez.

wishing him all the best and a full recovery!

I know he will!

Go Cyclones!

This. When I sprained (partial tear) my MCL, Atlantic's athletic trainer guessed it right but she couldn't say for sure because it was so swollen. Ortho the next day knew with a 2 second test it was an MCL and just had to do an MRI to confirm it wasnt a full tear.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

I've heard from colleagues who are into this kind of work/science that the current clinical consensus on full recovery for return-to-sport after a major ACL injury (full tear, surgical reconstruction) is actually two years (!!).

For someone like me (middle-aged washed-up / never-was ) that is certainly feasible, if I manage to tear my ACL then I can find other less risky ways of exercise and fitness for a couple years besides playing sports.

For an athlete in high school or college who has limited eligibility, obviously they're not going to sit out that long, or in the NFL where contracts aren't guaranteed and it's your livelihood on the line.

It's much sooner now with modern techniques. Adrian Peterson rushed for 2000 yards a year after his.

 

[BryceC]

Perhaps they did an MRI and it was worse than anticipated? Not sure why you think anyone has to be called full of ****.

Brent, people can’t just be wrong or make a mistake. It has to be malicious.

 

[rosshm16]

It's much sooner now with modern techniques. Adrian Peterson rushed for 2000 yards a year after his.

I'm not referring to ancient history here, or to when the athletes come back. Two years is a common recommendation today for optimal recovery, especially in young athletes. As I said, obviously athletes with a lot at stake are not going to wait that long.

Should Return to Sport be Delayed Until 2 Years After Anterior Cruciate Ligament Reconstruction? Biological and Functional Considerations - Sports Medicine

Anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) tears are common knee injuries sustained by athletes during sports participation. A devastating complication of returning to sport following ACL reconstruction (ACLR) is a second ACL injury. Strong evidence now indicates that younger, more active athletes are at...

link.springer.com

https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/14/16/5699

 

[FeedBreece]

I've heard from colleagues who are into this kind of work/science that the current clinical consensus on full recovery for return-to-sport after a major ACL injury (full tear, surgical reconstruction) is actually two years (!!).

For someone like me (middle-aged washed-up / never-was ) that is certainly feasible, if I manage to tear my ACL then I can find other less risky ways of exercise and fitness for a couple years besides playing sports.

For an athlete in high school or college who has limited eligibility, obviously they're not going to sit out that long, or in the NFL where contracts aren't guaranteed and it's your livelihood on the line.


Relatedly, there are different severities of ACL tears, it's not just "full tear, can hardly walkl" or "totally fine". You can have a partial tear that you can move around on pretty well but no way you're playing major conference football on it, and the recovery for return-to-play can still be very long even if they don't need surgery. I'm no expert but I would guess Jontez had something along those lines.

Only bright side here for both is that they were somewhat early in the season. They have 11 months to return for next year. I just hope they were clean tears, and not too messy.

 

[cyups2323]

What frustrates me is that we could kill 2 birds with one stone in those situations. Up 22 with a few mins left is the perfect time to keep your top players out of harms way and maybe even more importantly get some live action for your deeper reserves against a quality big 12 team.

 

[FeedBreece]

I'm not referring to ancient history here, or to when the athletes come back. Two years is a common recommendation today for optimal recovery, especially in young athletes. As I said, obviously athletes with a lot at stake are not going to wait that long.

Should Return to Sport be Delayed Until 2 Years After Anterior Cruciate Ligament Reconstruction? Biological and Functional Considerations - Sports Medicine

Anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) tears are common knee injuries sustained by athletes during sports participation. A devastating complication of returning to sport following ACL reconstruction (ACLR) is a second ACL injury. Strong evidence now indicates that younger, more active athletes are at...

link.springer.com

https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/14/16/5699

College/NFL athletes are also not average young athletes overall

I think its fair to question why he was still in the game, but at the same time I can kind of understand the explanation of getting used to rotations without Cooper. At the end of the day it stinks and I feel awful for Jontez.

If I'm going to put on my optimist cap, it will speed up the development of Quentin Taylor and Beni Ngoyi.

Also, fun fact about Quentin Taylor that I was unaware of until reading his profile on Cyclones.com
"Nephew of Brandon Merriweather, a 2007 first round NFL Draft pick by the New England Patriots and a two-time Pro Bowl safety"

Boy I remember him. Good player early in his career. Played a little reckless which ultimately kept his career short, but he was a hawk at safety.

 

[FeedBreece]

Brent, people can’t just be wrong or make a mistake. It has to be malicious.

I think I get the guy’s overall sentiment. It does feels like it’s hard to trust what the staff says initially about any injury at this point.

The way he phrased it deflecting onto Blum/CW was just unnecessary. They’re just relaying exactly what the staff says. They aren’t under the knife here.

 

[Clonedogg]

THIS SUCKS!

 

[bawbie]

Ad hominem attacks don’t work on me.

I actually do agree that **** happens and not everything requires blame. This doesn’t fall into that category though, because many of us were calling for direct action to avoid this scenario prior to it happening.

Lets take a vote - all in favor of making Solterra the new player participation coach?

No one? not a single vote?

Okay, so be it, we'll have to stick with Campbell

 

[SolterraCyclone]

Lets take a vote - all in favor of making Solterra the new player participation coach?

No one? not a single vote?

Okay, so be it, we'll have to stick with Campbell

What’s a player participation coach?

 

[ChiClone17]

This. When I sprained (partial tear) my MCL, Atlantic's athletic trainer guessed it right but she couldn't say for sure because it was so swollen. Ortho the next day knew with a 2 second test it was an MCL and just had to do an MRI to confirm it wasnt a full tear.

This is true for MCL sprains/tears, but for an ACL tear, the basic Lachman test can diagnose an ACL immediately and is accurate over 90% of the time. The team doc can pretty much diagnose it immediately on the field but an MRI will confirm and also indicate which other ligaments have been negatively impacted.

 

[bawbie]

What’s a player participation coach?

Your dream job apparently - applying the exact perfect mix of game score, time remaining and depth chart so that the injury risk is perfectly balanced at all times.

Of course it doesn't exist, which is why your crusade against Campbell in this thread is utterly ridiculous

 

[harimad]

I’m pretty sure Heacock will put this team in its best position to win. I’m not sure our defense has ever been ugly.

Except Arizona State in the CCG last year right? No shade, it’s just a fact. We didn’t have our dawgs and it showed. Skattebo was a man among boys.

 

[SolterraCyclone]

Your dream job apparently - applying the exact perfect mix of game score, time remaining and depth chart so that the injury risk is perfectly balanced at all times.

Of course it doesn't exist, which is why your crusade against Campbell in this thread is utterly ridiculous

Whoa whoa. I’m not on a crusade against Campbell. He made a mistake. I don’t want him fired or anything

 

[harimad]

We played in the CCG last year with 7TH STRING LINEBACKERS

Stop this doom and gloom ****. Yes, this injury super sucks, but JH and CMC figured it out once, theyll do it again

Calm down, especially when you’re the one who tempted the wrath of the whatever from high atop the thing with that “Jontez won’t be on the injury report” comment.