Cracks in the B1G?

This whole process started with the formation of BTN and the money that it could provide for the member schools. Once their plan was in place, it made sense to start stealing schools from other conferences to continue to grow the size of the conference to continue to bring in ever increasing piles of money for the schools. Before BTN, movement was random at best, Arkansas leaving the SWC for the SEC, Penn State moving from independent to the B10. Even the ACC taking schools from the Big East was done to get those schools into a more football centered conference and away from a basketball center one that the Big East was. Once BTN starting rolling in the money, the larger brands quickly realized just how much money they could make if they could move to the B10 or SEC, which dwarfed what they were ever going to make in the B12, P12 or ACC. But to say that the B10 was just following the MO already set does not tell the entire story. They were the conference pioneering what was happening to give them an advantage over the other conferences. They got stronger while the other schools got weaker, except for the SEC schools.
The "whole process" was started by the CFA back in 1977, and the subsequent lawsuit that they won against the NCAA. Two things happened there: 1) college sports caught a glimpse of all the TV money available that they could ***** after, and 2) the court ruling against the NCAA showed that any power that the NCAA had as an organization to set limitations on their member schools and the nature of the competition they oversaw could be challenged and defeated in court.
 
There's so many games that are played and this is such a small percentage. Also, to include a chunk of those games as "tradition" or whatever is pretty hilarious. No one gives a crap about some of those matchups.

There’s no denying that as conferences expand because of TV, the schedules change.

Lol, whatever you say.

Good luck against Arizona. I know the rivalry and hatred runs deep in that regional brawl.

Lol, wherever helps you sleep at night

I have no issue playing Arizona in order to survive because the BIG and SEC have made college football more corporate.

And that UCF at BYU example you previously used would have more at Big Noon Kickoff than most Frankenstein BIG matchups that don’t involve the top brands. A lot of subsidized schools in the BIG
 
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Talking heads saying this at the time from a pure basketball perspective and watering down the basketball a bit by bringing in football schools doesn't really mean anything. It was a weird league during the 90s for sure with a mix of football only, basketball only and a handful of full members with both sports.

But those schools were brought in 20 years before the ACC took its big brands. It was not a great league, but it was certainly not on the verge of collapse.

Agree that there is something to be said for the old and rebooted Big East as a basketball only league. It will be interesting to see how well they can compete in the future. Now that schools pay players, the big media dollars from football are going to matter in basketball too. There can be some individual schools in the Big East, ACC, and Big 12 that can bring in enough NIL to compete, but these leagues as a whole are probably going to start losing depth as a bunch of SEC and Big 10 teams can pay for more talent.
No one said that the Big East was going to collapse, but the feeling was the league was a BB league first and foremost, but with the money that football was bringing, it gave the football schools more power and rankled the bb schools. Many of the bb schools thought they had a great thing going and by brining in the football schools it collapsed the entire league, they wished that they had just stuck to bb.
You have to remember the league was formed as a nobody, and its rise to power started with ESPN rise at the same time, because they could show their games for cheap. So the league and the network rose together from basically nothing. Few had ever heard of Georgetown or Seton Hall or many of the schools in the conference, but Big East BB became the league of champions for about a decade in the 80s.
 
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The "whole process" was started by the CFA back in 1977, and the subsequent lawsuit that they won against the NCAA. Two things happened there: 1) college sports caught a glimpse of all the TV money available that they could ***** after, and 2) the court ruling against the NCAA showed that any power that the NCAA had as an organization to set limitations on their member schools and the nature of the competition they oversaw could be challenged and defeated in court.
That ruling was the first crack in the wall that opened up what it would become. I still believe that until BTN was started, the leagues were held in check by the lack of networks will to show their games. ESPN tried to lowball the B10 and Delany said he would just start his own network, it was a genius move and something that the B12 had wanted to do, but UT and others shot it down. The guy that came up with the idea, then moved to the B10 and they started the network there. Once BTN started rolling, and it was a struggle getting games to be broadcast, it took off. Their system of charging more if you had a team in your state than if you didn't started to bring in money that these schools could have only dreamed about before BTN. BTN was smart that they had to be on basic cable, and therefore they could charge everyone in the state the higher price. It did not matter if you were a fan or not, or even watched the games, everyone paid into the system. Its the reason they took in Maryland and Rutgers, because they could then sell to their service to NY, Baltimore and Washington DC, it wasn't the schools themselves that would help the conference but the money that the league could get from the people in those states.
 
I’m not sure what you’re arguing about anymore (at least with me). You cited the passage from the article and said it was ridiculous, while I said it was hyperbolic but relatively true.

That’s the growing divide between the Big Ten and the Big 12. One is chasing media markets and television ratings, expanding coast to coast in search of brand value. The other is holding tight to its roots-regional rivalries, local pride, and the kind of fan loyalty that doesn’t need a playoff bid to show up and show out.

By virtue of necessity (so you don’t bring up the weak argument “well the B12 would have done it!”) B12 has expanded with teams and fan bases that are generally smaller but passionate and, with exceptions, do have some regionality to it (I gave you several examples of this). The B10 has expanded for TV markets and media dollars and is more corporate with little regard to fan passion or regionality.

As a result the B12 in its entirety has better gameday atmospheres than the B10 (not absolutely but in relativity). She used the ISU atmosphere versus the Northwestern atmosphere as an apples to apples comparison (although I’ll grant ISU was playing an in-state rival). Both were placed on Fox’s prime slot with a national pregame show lead-in. Northwestern’s atmosphere was corporate and born out of realignment while ISU’s was more passionate and grassroots. That’s what she was saying.
I agree with some of this but the rest is nonsense.

To say the Big 12 "is holding tight to its roots-regional rivalries, local pride, and the kind of fan loyalty that doesn't need a playoff bid to show up and show out" is pure cope IMO.

The Big 12 went after the biggest and best programs/brands it could after the B1G added USCLAUOUW.

Arizona, Arizona St. Central Florida, Utah, BYU... hell even WVU back in 2014 or whenever it was added... had nothing to do with preserving the conference's "roots-regional rivalries". They were the biggest and best programs/brands the Big 12 could lure in.
 
I agree with some of this but the rest is nonsense.

To say the Big 12 "is holding tight to its roots-regional rivalries, local pride, and the kind of fan loyalty that doesn't need a playoff bid to show up and show out" is pure cope IMO.

The Big 12 went after the biggest and best programs/brands it could after the B1G added USCLAUOUW.

Arizona, Arizona St. Central Florida, Utah, BYU... hell even WVU back in 2014 or whenever it was added... had nothing to do with preserving the conference's "roots-regional rivalries". They were the biggest and best programs/brands the Big 12 could lure in.
The ACC And Big 12 are in survival mode now, that's it. Anyone who says any conference is sticking to their roots either isn't paying attention or just in denial of what's going on. If either the SEC or Big 10 called any of the Big 12 teams tomorrow and asked that school to join, you know there isn't one team in the Big 12 who would turn down the invitation. They would shove their roots right up all the other schools' asses. The schools who are in the Big 12 are doing it for survival and in hopes that one day, they get the invite to the P2.
 
I agree with some of this but the rest is nonsense.

To say the Big 12 "is holding tight to its roots-regional rivalries, local pride, and the kind of fan loyalty that doesn't need a playoff bid to show up and show out" is pure cope IMO.

The Big 12 went after the biggest and best programs/brands it could after the B1G added USCLAUOUW.

Arizona, Arizona St. Central Florida, Utah, BYU... hell even WVU back in 2014 or whenever it was added... had nothing to do with preserving the conference's "roots-regional rivalries". They were the biggest and best programs/brands the Big 12 could lure in.
I agree with that. Absolutely (although I’ll say I don’t think the B12 pursued nor would interest be reciprocated in Stanford or Cal due to fit).

That doesn’t make what she said untrue though. The B12 has embraced its fan bases’ passion and has preserved some regionality, whereas the B10 has shown little interest in either of those.
 
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IThe B12 has embraced its fan bases’ passion and has preserved some regionality, whereas the B10 has shown little interest in either of those.
Example No. 1 is the start time of the MSU-USC game. Even though that was determined by TV (who sits on the Big 10 board) the Big 10 members knew this was what they got themselves into when they started poaching other conferences.
 
I agree with that. Absolutely (although I’ll say I don’t think the B12 pursued nor would interest be reciprocated in Stanford or Cal due to fit).

That doesn’t make what she said untrue though. The B12 has embraced its fan bases’ passion and has preserved some regionality, whereas the B10 has shown little interest in either of those.
Saying the B1G has little interest in passionate fanbases is just another ridiculous cope.
 
The Big East was never going to last. It was a desperate marriage of convenience. It was nothing more than the traditional basketball schools trying to get their hands on some of that sweet, sweet football money and then instantly regretting it when they realized that instead of playing big games in giant NBA arenas, they were shipping teams to Blacksburg, Tampa and Piscataway for absolutely no reason.

Villanova and Georgetown have literally nothing in common with USF and Virginia Tech.
 
Saying the B1G has little interest in passionate fanbases is just another ridiculous cope.
You’re kidding right. Yeah UCLA, Rutgers, and Maryland are definitely known for their rabid fan bases.

They are however actually known for residing in or close to some of the largest DMAs in the US
 
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Whether you believe its likely or not, if unequal revenue becomes a thing in the B1G, would anyone be surprised if it was Ohio State that led that charge for it?

They are a top 5 "who killed CFB" villain in my mind. Right up there with TV money and Sankey.
Yeah while I’m not in the camp that this is going to happen I’ve always thrown out that OSU would be a wildcard in this. Michigan won’t and I really don’t know a ton about how Penn state operates but if there was an actual push it really would/could come from OSU.
 
Yeah while I’m not in the camp that this is going to happen I’ve always thrown out that OSU would be a wildcard in this. Michigan won’t and I really don’t know a ton about how Penn state operates but if there was an actual push it really would/could come from OSU.
My guess is that OSU would only push it if Michigan and/or Penn State has their back.
 
Why wouldn’t Michigan go with OSU?
Couple reasons starting from the fact that Michigan has more money then just about anyone else so they don’t need it and more importantly Michigan wouldn’t want to do anything that helps OSU which this would.