Cracks in the B1G?

My ultimate hope is the 20 team super league happens, the rest of the schools give them the double birds and we get back to playing college football minus those 20 teams. There would still be enough good football to go around.
With the remaining teams creating a collective media rights package and divisions based on geography. It makes zero sense for Cal to be playing Wake Forest for a conference game.
 
I both don’t want a super league and don’t think it’s going to happen. If it somehow did it would mean I would be watching a lot less MSU football and a lot more Michigan football which would be annoying but again, I highly doubt that happens in the next decade.
Yes, we know you don't want the super league because it would mean less money for Michigan State.

10 years ago I highly doubted USC/Oregon/Washington would be in the Big 10, but here we are
Stage 1: Denial
 
Yes Week 1 was a great week. No argument.

I can’t say networks are making more money though. I can’t find average CFB viewership over a season by year (let me know if anyone can). So I picked 2008 and 2009, prior to realignment.
  • 2008: CFB games averaged 2.8M viewers per game
  • 2009: 3.0M viewers per game
  • 2024 (which got all sorts of PR for how great ratings were): 1.9M viewers per game
Now, as I mentioned, I don’t think realignment is the primary factor for that, but we definitely cannot say it’s helping. Numbers indicate it may be hurting. It’s not cope. If viewership was trending up, I’d agree with you. Let’s see how 2025’s numbers with their new methodology shakes out.

The comparison is more than they would have without consolidation, not more than before

Ratings improving or even just maintaining in the face of fundamental headwinds is a win for the networks
 
Hey poor "taker" schools we're giving you these choices:
A. Unequal revenue sharing
B. We're leaving for super league and you'll make even less than unequal revenue sharing

Result: poor "taker" schools unanimously vote for unequal revenue sharing

Whats your definition of a Super League?

Look at viewership numbers. There really aren't many schools whose viewership is so much higher on their own - aka Ohio State playing Central Michigan or Northwestern. The list is, and maybe a few others: Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Alabama, Georgia, LSU and Texas.

So for there to be a TRUE Super League in CFB we're talking 15-20 teams. And there is no way TV folks or blue blood programs want such a small league.

So the reality is when a Mississippi vs. Kentucky and Iowa State vs. Iowa games are the 2nd & 3rd most watch games- that tells me fans are more interested in great match-ups.
 
The comparison is more than they would have without consolidation, not more than before

Ratings improving or even just maintaining in the face of fundamental headwinds is a win for the networks
But they’re not improving or maintaining. So, I don’t see how we can say it’s a win. Maybe 2025 will show differently with the new measurement methodology.

We can say, well the numbers would be even worse without realignment matchups because of those headwinds. But there’s no empirical evidence to support that
 
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Don’t tell me. The state fish of Michigan is a red herring.
Am I wrong? Please tell me where OSU would leave the big ten to if it wasn’t a 20 team league? Again they aren’t leaving, but go ahead and let me know where you think they would go
 
Whats your definition of a Super League?

Look at viewership numbers. There really aren't many schools whose viewership is so much higher on their own - aka Ohio State playing Central Michigan or Northwestern. The list is, and maybe a few others: Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Alabama, Georgia, LSU and Texas.

So for there to be a TRUE Super League in CFB we're talking 15-20 teams. And there is no way TV folks or blue blood programs want such a small league.

So the reality is when an Mississippi vs. Kentucky and Iowa State vs. Iowa games are the 2nd & 3rd most watch games- that tells me fans are more interested in great match-ups.

Agree for most part. I think it would most likely be roughly half of SEC and Big Ten breaking away and adding ND and 1-3 ACC schools.

Unequal revenue is incredibly likely, break away superleague as a very real threat is going to be what forces it, superleague actually happening is unlikely and probably would tank the sport long term after the novelty wears off.

The threat of it will be real, and that threat is why a school like NW or Iowa will jump to gift Ohio State unequal revenue sharing.
 
Agree for most part. I think it would most likely be roughly half of SEC and Big Ten breaking away and adding ND and 1-3 ACC schools.

Unequal revenue is incredibly likely, break away superleague as a very real threat is going to be what forces it, superleague actually happening is unlikely and probably would tank the sport long term after the novelty wears off.

The threat of it will be real, and that threat is why a school like NW or Iowa will jump to gift Ohio State unequal revenue sharing.
You realize that your very logic that such a super league is unlikely and would fail means that it isn’t a real threat? Thats kinda the whole point.
 
Am I wrong? Please tell me where OSU would leave the big ten to if it wasn’t a 20 team league? Again they aren’t leaving, but go ahead and let me know where you think they would go
What you just did is changing his argument by throwing a red herring. So yes, you wrongly understood his argument.
 
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What you just did is changing his argument by throwing a red herring. So yes, you wrongly understood his argument.
Actually I’m asking him to clarify his position, same for you as well. If a fundamental crux of your argument is the threat to leave the question needs to be answered, well, where will they go?
 
Why is a Spartan fan frantically posting on the Cyclone Board to make sure everyone know that the odds are MSU will never be left behind? Just seems a bit off. What am I missing here?
Came over to the board to talk realignment years ago, stayed to talk about more realignment and I do like the cave threads.

Great board with awesome and informed fans is pretty hard to come by. It’s like a mini Reddit
 
There isn't a world where Ohio State leaves the Big Ten for another conference that isn't a Super League.

Sure they've got a big voice in the room, as do Michigan, SC, Penn State and Oregon, but at the end of the day they only get one vote.

This isn't a Texas/OU situation where there's a better league with a bigger payday to jump to.
Agree, many posters are wishcasting right now.
 
Well it would take at least 10 votes to kick any one school out. You think 10 university presidents would vote to expel Northwestern or Purdue or Iowa?
If it means more money for the remaining schools?... It could happen.
 
There isn't a world where Ohio State leaves the Big Ten for another conference that isn't a Super League.

Sure they've got a big voice in the room, as do Michigan, SC, Penn State and Oregon, but at the end of the day they only get one vote.

This isn't a Texas/OU situation where there's a better league with a bigger payday to jump to.
I agree. They’re not leaving to go to the SEC. They’d only leave to go to a Super League. And they’re not going to kick any schools out either.

The three scenarios in the next 10-year timeframe are a.) leave for Super League (my prediction), b.) stay in B10 at unequal rev share c.) stay in B10 at equal rev share (least likely imo, but possible of they can get enough if a bump in the next TV deal)
 
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I agree. They’re not leaving to go to the SEC. They’d only leave to go to a Super League. And they’re not going to kick any schools out either.

The three scenarios in the next 10-year timeframe are a.) leave for Super League (my prediction), b.) stay in B10 at unequal rev share c.) stay in B10 at equal rev share (least likely imo, but possible of they can get enough if a bump in the next TV deal)
I think they stay in the Big Ten. The league continues to split media revenues evenly because they are never going to have the votes to change that but they distribute a larger percentage of CFP, Bowl and NCAA Tournament money to the schools that earn the credits.

I expect the SEC to go to the same model.
 
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