Big 12 vs Big Ten Debate

Ummm…the SEC has never been top dollar, big ten already is making more, about 20% actually.

Sooooo….

Get ready for a house guest whether you want them or not. Seriously, it'll happen.

SEC going unequal is probably only way they stay long term. Independent or they'll come sniffing if they know somebody is getting a bigger check.
 
If at any time Big Ten teams are getting even 10% more annually Texas will start sniffing around, if somehow Big Ten teams get 20-25% more Texas to B10 is inevitable.

If the SEC stays top dollar, Texas trying to get unequal share is inevitable.
Texas trying to get an unequal revenue share in either the SEC or B1G would be funny to watch.
 
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I don’t think too many people are blind to where the top teams are in the conference, Michigan has had its share of down years but OSU has been pretty constantly excellent for awhile now and just appears to be a machine.

I think the push back sometimes comes from the fact that big12 fans in particular don’t understand that every conference relationship doesn’t have to be like Texas where so many of the fans are waiting for a major heel turn. The fact is, that while you can look at is as altruism the main difference is that OSU and to a lesser extent Michaign have benefited greatly from the conference’s composition in the modern era. It’s a bit of a two way street.

If OSU went on a downturn the way Texas did I could see them trying to push the advantage more. I don’t think it would work but I could for sure see it happening if they fell off.

Down years don’t really matter. Michigan is an insanely huge BRAND. Texas is an extremely huge BRAND.
 
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Don't ever underestimate Texas's ability to act like a spoiled toddler.
From what I read, I think Texas went to the SEC because they didn’t like teams coming into Texas out recruiting them with the sales pitch that the SEC was the best conference and all recruits should dream of playing in the SEC. They probably especially hated Texas A&M telling them they were in a superior conference.

If they just wanted the most money they could have went to the Big10 back then, I’m sure the Big10 would have accepted them. They probably didn’t want to join a northern conference and try to convince Texas kids to travel halfway across the country and play in the snow. All that said, I could picture A&M going to the Big10 so they can brag to their longhorn friends about getting a bigger media paycheck.
 
I'm not saying they maybe wouldn't try. Would just be funny watching them get stonewalled when they did.

In Big 12 they had delusional Nebraska, A&M and OU who thought they were an equally big thing all fully supporting them. Oh wait…
 
I'm talking about unequal revenue sharing for Texas.

It’d be unequal for all of them, not just Texas. NW, Indiana, Minn, IA would take a pay cut so Ohio state can Scrooge mcduck w Texas.

I agree it’s possible the big ten is unique. The clock is ticking for some SEC schools though, I’d bet my life they have unequal share within 20 years if sec is still a thing.
 
Lol, good luck with that.

The B1G and SEC have built themselves and navigated all the conference madness that's been happening for over a decade now in a way that's made them the richest and strongest conferences in the country. And they've done it without transitioning to unequal sharing of media revenues, even though they've had multiple opportunities, including the B1G bluebloods having a chance to claim a bigger share of an $8 billion media pie in their most recent deal.

But yeah, after positioning themselves for where they are today as the P2, I'm sure they'll look at the same kind of unequal revenue sharing model that basically eviscerated the Big 12 and say "yep, that's what we should be doing." Lol.
So what is stopping Ohio State, Michigan, Texas and LSU from saying why in the hell are Vanderbilt, Northwestern and Rutgers building world class facilities on our dime? What are they brininging to the table?

If you think that is going to continue for years on end Im not sure what to tell you. It wont. You think Ohio State and Michigan make a lot of money now? Imagine if the Big Ten elites merged with the SEC elites and Notre Dame. Money is no longer a concern...at all...ever!

Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, USC, Oregon, UCLA, Washington, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, LSU, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, South Carolina, Ole Miss
 
So what is stopping Ohio State, Michigan, Texas and LSU from saying why in the hell are Vanderbilt, Northwestern and Rutgers building world class facilities on our dime? What are they brininging to the table?

If you think that is going to continue for years on end Im not sure what to tell you. It wont. You think Ohio State and Michigan make a lot of money now? Imagine if the Big Ten elites merged with the SEC elites and Notre Dame. Money is no longer a concern...at all...ever!

Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, USC, Oregon, UCLA, Washington, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, LSU, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, South Carolina, Ole Miss
Yep. Been hearing this for years now.
 
Yep. Been hearing this for years now.
Im sure they are just going to extend the charity for decades to come...why would they want to double their revenue? Im sure they all think they have plenty of money......

IMO, end game you have your elite conference consiting of 20ish teams.

The "leftovers" break into 3 other 20ish team conferences "west" "central" and "east". 16 team playoff. Super conference gets 10 teams the leftover conferences all get 2 teams. Some kind of format similar to that.
 
Im sure they are just going to extend the charity for decades to come...why would they want to double their revenue? Im sure they all think they have plenty of money......

IMO, end game you have your elite conference consiting of 20ish teams.

The "leftovers" break into 3 other 20ish team conferences "west" "central" and "east". 16 team playoff. Super conference gets 10 teams the leftover conferences all get 2 teams. Some kind of format similar to that.
Why didn't Michigan and tOSU demand a bigger cut during this last media rights negotiation? That was a massive deal for the B1G, $8 billion. They could've tried getting a bigger cut of that. They knew that deal would lock them in with equal revenue sharing through 2030. Why didn't they try increasing their revenue?
 
Why didn't Michigan and tOSU demand a bigger cut during this last media rights negotiation? That was a massive deal for the B1G, $8 billion. They could've tried getting a bigger cut of that. They knew that deal would lock them in with equal revenue sharing through 2030. Why didn't they try increasing their revenue?
If the elites have an opportunity to merge down the road and make it so that their Universities don't have to worry about money, Im not sure what to tell you if you dont think theyre going to take it. Can you imagine the bidding wars between FOX, ESPN, Amazon, Apple, Netflix etc...to get their hands on the media rights of that super conference? We are talking NFL type money.
 
If the elites have an opportunity to merge down the road and make it so that their Universities don't have to worry about money, Im not sure what to tell you if you dont think theyre going to take it. Can you imagine the bidding wars between FOX, ESPN, Amazon, Apple, Netflix etc...to get their hands on the media rights of that super conference? We are talking NFL type money.
Yeah I don't see the superconference thing happening.
 
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Yeah I don't see the superconference thing happening.
Yeah so many people knew USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington would be Big Ten mates with Maryland and Rutgers 15 years ago. The Big Ten tore the Pac 12 apart with a flick of a pen. Money drives decisions. If Texas and Ohio State have an opportunity to more than double their revenue you better believe they are taking it.
 
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Yeah so many people knew USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington would be Big Ten mates with Maryland and Rutgers 15 years ago. The Big Ten tore the Pac 12 apart with a flick of a pen. Money drives decisions. If Texas and Ohio State have an opportunity to more than double their revenue you better believe they are taking it.
Ohio St. had the opportunity to try increasing its revenue over less worthy programs in that last media rights deal. $8 billion is a pretty big number. tOSU could've demanded more of that massive pie. Why didn't they?
 
Ohio St. had the opportunity to try increasing its revenue over less worthy programs in that last media rights deal. $8 billion is a pretty big number. tOSU could've demanded more of that massive pie. Why didn't they?
Zero understanding of how the Big Ten media rights were negotiated. I have zero understanding of if Ohio St had an opportunity to demand more revenue or not. Texas was able to make demands because they were threatening to leave the Big 12 to go to the Pac 12. Where was Ohio State going to go? Freaking Big Ten is 130 years old. They arent going anywhere unless its a move towards a super conference.