I disagree. I think it is ridiculous that a 5 yard ticky tack holding call gives you an automatic first down. They don't call it much in college but how many times do they call holding on a third and long in the NFL that has nothing to do with the play and gives the offense a cheap first down.
Why no automatic 1st down on defense holding....
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Campbell could have requested a review of the Jones spot, correct? That was a really pivotal moment in the game, and I thought we let the officials get away with an absolute garbage spot that appeared a yard or two shy. What transpired immediately after that totally changed the complexion if the game.
The weird part for me, is that it's a first down if Brock had thrown the ball away rather than running out of bounds.
Disagree completely. I think defensive penalties should have sting to them, otherwise they start getting baked into defensive strategy, just like has already happened with PI. With PI being limited to 15 yards in college it’s often instructed to DBs to interfere if they’re burned on a big play. That’s just bad football. I love the NFL rule where PI is a 15 yard penalty minimum and a spot foul after that. You take the auto first down out of the equation on defensive holding and that too is just going to get baked into defensive strategy.
As far as “holding away from the play”, how do you even know it was supposed to be away from the play? As far as anyone knows, the player that was held was the primary target, but because of the holding the receiver didn’t get open, so the QB had to throw somewhere else, therefore “away from the play”.
It’s not exactly easy for a quarterback that never takes snaps from under center, and a center that never snaps with a quarterback under center, to just do it in rare, but high stress, situations. Probably a lot more likely bad, bad things will happen.
To be honest it is more of an NFL thing. But a lot of times the 'holding' is the same kind of contact that has gone unflagged on first and second down. Don't have much of a problem with a blatant hold being a first down. The problem is they call it "illegal contact' and that can be called pretty much randomly on any pass play.
What really sucks about that is that ISU can't just line up and push forward for a 4th and 1/2 a yard. I see many teams every Saturday line up and take care of the situation. Instead ISU shifts twice and lets everyone think too hard about it. ISU lost the momentum there because they didn't function or execute.
Anyway it evened out.
Hall moved pre-snap on the 4th down TD and the 4th down KU didn't convert before that drive could have been PI on ISU.
Pre-snap movement at 6:08. I thought maybe the ball had been snapped but he moves prior.
"This was the second game in a row we pull out an oddball play when the game is in question. Not opposed to doing something different but based on our execution and game circumstances not the best time to pull something new out of the bag"
2nd game? They've done this pretty much every game.
2nd game? They've done this pretty much every game.
Nearly every game...and maybe not at pivotal moments, but there's been some weird long developing play called that looks totally out of place and does nothing or implodes nearly every game.
There's usually a shift of some sort, but having that many shifts for a 4th and 1/2 a yard and taking that much time just has no rhythm and takes away the purpose.
Is Iowa State in the NFC or AFC?
(Yes, I know what your point is. I'm just being a smartass. Sry)
He had to be obviously held at least a dozen times in the game.
Which would have been less irritating if they were just calling a 'let them play' kind of game, instead of flagging us for holds while ignoring them the other way
