Why do our highest profile pros have so many doubters?

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Bill Lambeer in his prime was a villain

Yes. That kind of player.

Worst basketball villain design of all time:
- Leads world in sharing/passing the basketball, litterally the least selfish player in the world
- Least physically imposing player, possibly skinniest player in NBA
- Smiles and is happy all the time
- Never makes dirty plays
- Sells a foul occasionally (like everyone) but isn't a guy who does his work at free throw line baiting fouls

Just a joke of a villain if that's supposed to be a villain. He's Steve Nash but a little more cocky and better at closing shots, at least half the league is more of an obvious villain than that.
 
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No signs of falling off for LeBron? Seriously?

He fell off since his prime but he's objectively the best 35+ player ever by a gigantic margin.

I think MJ is the GOAT because of prime years but there's zero debate who the world's greatest player after 35 has been.

For his age it's ludicrous. Most stars are injured, retired, bench role players or inefficient chuckers by 36. LeBron is still top ten in practically every efficiency stat at 40.
 

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Nobody actually thinks Hali is a villain, except maybe fans of teams that had their heartbroken by him, there are plenty that underestimate him though. Probably fewer people now than a few weeks ago though.
 

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Yes. That kind of player.

Worst basketball villain design of all time:
- Leads world in sharing/passing the basketball, litterally the least selfish player in the world
- Least physically imposing player, possibly skinniest player in NBA
- Smiles and is happy all the time
- Never makes dirty plays
- Sells a foul occasionally (like everyone) but isn't a guy who does his work at free throw line baiting fouls

Just a joke of a villain if that's supposed to be a villain. He's Steve Nash but a little more cocky and better at closing shots, at least half the league is more of an obvious villain than that.
Villain isn’t a good term. Just like Laimbeer wasn’t viewed like Reggie Miller. Halliburton is the Reggie Miller type that talked tons, knew how to get under certain fanbases’ skin, and it’s great fun. The Laimbeer, Draymond type trying to hurt guys is a totally different level.

As for players voting him overrated, there’s always stupid **** like this. Players seem to have this need to knock certain guys down that are getting lots of love from the public and media. Years of players supposedly trashing Curry.
 
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Villain isn’t a good term. Just like Laimbeer wasn’t viewed like Reggie Miller. Halliburton is the Reggie Miller type that talked tons, knew how to get under certain fanbases’ skin, and it’s great fun. The Laimbeer, Draymond type trying to hurt guys is a totally different level.

As for players voting him overrated, there’s always stupid **** like this. Players seem to have this need to knock certain guys down that are getting lots of love from the public and media. Years of players supposedly trashing Curry.

Yeah I was a Bulls fan like most people of that time but Reggie Miller wasn't even in my top 20 disliked players of that era. Even when he got away with that pushoff I knew Michael and Scottie got away with that at least as often. Rodman was an obvious villain player whether he was against or with Chicago. Malone was a really dirty nasty player opposed to say more graceful and kind/happy Hakeem, he'd have been a villain to me even if I wasn't a Bulls fan and Hakeem was a player everybody had to love. Draymond is an obvious villain and even though I've pulled for GSW many years he just obviously is.

The players whose core strategy is to knee you in the balls...that's a villain.

When Brunson took a guy's arm last round, smacked himself in the face with the defender's arm, then pretended it hurt him and fell back and drew a foul...that's a pure villain play.

When Robert Horry tried to end MVP Steve Nash's career in a game that was over, that's an all time off the charts villain.

Tyrese is none of that, I mean he's the OPPOSITE of any of that. He's just sharing the ball more than any other player and when he does shoot it's a game winner that goes in.
 
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In what world is Tyrese a villain? I take in a lot of NBA content each week and no one thinks he’s a villain. Some think he’s a bit corny but not a villain.

Knicks fans, sure I guess, but that’s because he just beat them. Bucks? Yeah they are rivals. General population, no.
I agree. Though, I think the whole situation with Haliburton's Dad added another layer to it. Nothing Tyrese did, but tangentially associated with it.
 

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I agree. Though, I think the whole situation with Haliburton's Dad added another layer to it. Nothing Tyrese did, but tangentially associated with it.
Draymond Green was on Kimmel last night, when his mom went to his HS games she was trashing the players on his team, but she was trashing him way worse. So the other parents just shrugged it off because she was way harder on her kid than anyone else. The way he told it was pretty funny.
 

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Villain isn’t a good term. Just like Laimbeer wasn’t viewed like Reggie Miller. Halliburton is the Reggie Miller type that talked tons, knew how to get under certain fanbases’ skin, and it’s great fun. The Laimbeer, Draymond type trying to hurt guys is a totally different level.

As for players voting him overrated, there’s always stupid **** like this. Players seem to have this need to knock certain guys down that are getting lots of love from the public and media. Years of players supposedly trashing Curry.
The funniest thing about players voting him overrated is I guarantee there isn't a single player worth a damn voting in an Athletic poll. I've listened to a lot of podcasts of former players talk about it and they said they never voted in polls about other players. Either a whole team voted for him as a bonding exercise or a bunch of scrubs did who no one would listen to.
 

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Because we are Iowa State and we are not allowed to have nice things or great players, and when we do its a mistake, so others struggle coming up with a reason why such a great player went to ISU and not Alabama or some other name school.
 
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There is definitely bad blood with the Bucks, but I don't think there is much with the other teams. Even the choke sign was directed at Reggie who was calling the game and less at the Knicks and their fans.
 

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In what world is Tyrese a villain? I take in a lot of NBA content each week and no one thinks he’s a villain. Some think he’s a bit corny but not a villain.

Knicks fans, sure I guess, but that’s because he just beat them. Bucks? Yeah they are rivals. General population, no.
Agreed. He also has only been 3rd team all-NBA and hasn't averaged much over 20ppg in any season yet. It's easy to see why the non-ISU fan who watches the NBA doesn't appreciate his ability yet. And he plays for the Pacers. OKC was the best team in the league all season and people were still looking for ways to criticize them. Doesn't have a thing to do with Iowa State. I doubt most people know or care where he went to college. I watch a lot of NBA and don't think anything about where any of these guys were born, grew up, or went to h.s. or college.
 
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I can't think of any pro players from any program that somebody isn't bagging on.

Even the greats like Brady or Jordan have people criticizing them.

Hell there are people out there who dislike Mr Rogers or Tom Hanks.
 
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I can't think of any pro players from any program that somebody isn't bagging on.

Even the greats like Brady or Jordan have people criticizing them.

Hell there are people out there who dislike Mr Rogers or Tom Hanks.
Most people who dont watch the NBA have never even heard of SGA and he's been a top 5 player for multiple seasons and the hands down MVP of the league this season. The dude went to Kentucky. Nobody gives a **** where any great pro player went to college except fans of that school. Hali is getting plenty of press and recognition. He wants in that top 5 area he needs to score more points. He's going to be the best Pacer of all-time easily. Reggie was clutch and a great player but nowhere near a top 10 player at any point in his career. I think many already put Hali there. And Brock Purdy isn't even in the same stratosphere in terms of player ranking as Hali. Hali is a top 15 player in the NBA easily. Purdy MIGHT be a top 15 QB. Maybe
 
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