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USL is officially doing pro/rel based on my understanding. My hope is that USL beats out MLS as the primary organization.


USL seems to be a soccer organization and MLS is an American pro sports organization that does soccer.
USL has said that they will be doing pro/rel, but as far as I know haven’t made and further announcements after their initial one. It would be cool to see, but I have my doubts they’ll follow through
 
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USL is officially doing pro/rel based on my understanding. My hope is that USL beats out MLS as the primary organization.


USL seems to be a soccer organization and MLS is an American pro sports organization that does soccer.
They need a lot of financial backing to make it happen, but I think their best case would be to become the AFL to the MLS's NFL and hope for a merger down the line.
 
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I could get into MLS. Not if it's competing with football though.

I'll never be able to get into European soccer from an emotional investment standpoint because I just don't have any connection to any of the places represented.
 
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I will say that American soccer fans probably overstate the MLS needs pro/rel argument. I definitely would love it, but I don't see it as absolutely necessary for the MLS to become one of the best leagues in the world. At the end of the day it's still all about money. There are some uber rich dudes getting into MLS ownership and pouring money into their rosters. Brand new soccer specific stadiums that are ~20-30K and constantly at, or near, sold out crowds. A couple years left on their AppleTV deal before they can negotiate a new, more lucrative TV contract.

If they can keep the cash flowing in they are going to keep getting better. Young homegrown talent is improving, some European stars are coming over at younger ages than before and are more impactful for longer, etc.
I think the current goal for the MLS should be to get to the 6 spot of best leagues behind EPL, Serie A, La Liga, Bundesliga and Ligue 1. Long ways to go being outside of the top 10 which I'd put EFL Championship in.
 
USL is officially doing pro/rel based on my understanding. My hope is that USL beats out MLS as the primary organization.


USL seems to be a soccer organization and MLS is an American pro sports organization that does soccer.
Yup, scheduled to start in 2028. This alone will make me support the USL instead of the MLS.

 
USL has said that they will be doing pro/rel, but as far as I know haven’t made and further announcements after their initial one. It would be cool to see, but I have my doubts they’ll follow through
My biggest thing is they need to let the market decide where soccer will be supported. That’s always been my frustration with American sports. They try to create a top down approach when it needs to be a bottom up system to be most successful.

For example baseball has teams that just aren’t supported because they have bad owners and not a good local fan base. If bad teams got relegated the owners would be punished instead of rewarded with millions of dollars in profits (A’s increasing in value from 149 M to 1.1 B after being awful)
 
IMO, the US won't ever be able to replicate the soccer system in Great Britain, just from a size/concentration of teams standpoint. For example, the longest trips in the Championship League hover around 300-350 miles. In the US, that is probably on the lower end of the closest opponent.

US club owners having to undergo travel expenses for underperforming teams aren't going to want the risk of PRO/REL, especially when it works against them. The distance between opponents won't decrease if you drop down a league, but your expenses will remain the same and your fan support and revenues will decrease.

Professional sports money in the US goes the wrong way in a hurry, and fledgling clubs aren't going to have the support to sustain them during lean years. It takes a special effort to get any professional soccer team in the US to succeed, much less ones that can get knocked back to the B league right off the bat.

I hope I'm wrong and the USL's PRO/REL works, but unless teams unite to really establish some kind of safety net, I don't see how you convince a wide group of owners to keep investing something into something that potentially hemorrhages money. You'd need a large pot of owners with deep pockets that are willing to stick it out. You'd need to convince people with that kind of money to invest locally versus investing in an extrablished British club and fanbase like Reynolds/Mcelhenney or Brady did.
 
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IMO, the US won't ever be able to replicate the soccer system in Great Britain, just from a size/concentration of teams standpoint. For example, the longest trips in the Championship League hover around 300-350 miles. In the US, that is probably on the lower end of the closest opponent.

US club owners having to undergo travel expenses for underperforming teams aren't going to want the risk of PRO/REL, especially when it works against them. The distance between opponents won't decrease if you drop down a league, but your expenses will remain the same and your fan support and revenues will decrease.

Professional sports money in the US goes the wrong way in a hurry, and fledgling clubs aren't going to have the support to sustain them during lean years. It takes a special effort to get any professional soccer team in the US to succeed, much less ones that can get knocked back to the B league right off the bat.

I hope I'm wrong and the USL's PRO/REL works, but unless teams unite to really establish some kind of safety net, I don't see how you convince a wide group of owners to keep investing something into something that potentially hemorrhages money. You'd need a large pot of owners with deep pockets that are willing to stick it out. You'd need to convince people with that kind of money to invest locally versus investing in an extrablished British club and fanbase like Reynolds/Mcelhenney or Brady did.
You’re not wrong, but I do disagree with this line of thinking.

Thats the entire point of relegation. Did you suck at managing your club? You get punished and now you have to adjust your payroll to adjust for the different revenue of playing at a lower league. If you can’t figure out how to do it then yea your team will go bankrupt, but that’s kind of the point…

Brazil is the size of the US and it has four tiers to their pyramid, yes engagement is much higher in Brazil, but the US economically is much richer. I’m sure we can make a 3-4 tier system work.
 
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I wouldn't use that to rank the leagues when there are plenty of international players who don't make their national team that would be studs in the MLS. IMO it's teetering around the 10 spot, right there with Liga MX.
I hear ya, just thought it was an interesting stat. It does show I think that for smaller leagues, MLS is able to get good players. But you're right, you could prob field a lot of WC quality teams from the Premiership of players that got passed over.
 
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I could be all wrong, but my read MLS is that they need to allow somebody to spend a bunch of money to make Inter Miami or whoever a world class club who can compete with anybody. If they’re successful and it’s profitable, somebody will go try to do the same with another club like LAFC or something. Then somebody can come do the same with LA Galaxy and the rivalry will make them both better. The league is still growing and needs to take a full on capitalist approach of using competition to accelerate its development.

USL needs to go all out and find a way to be more interesting. Be a cool alternative. Go sign a controversial superstar or something. Push the envelope and hope for an eventual merger. If they can make pro/rel work and bring it to MLS, that would be a really neat achievement.
 
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I could be all wrong, but my read MLS is that they need to allow somebody to spend a bunch of money to make Inter Miami or whoever a world class club who can compete with anybody. If they’re successful and it’s profitable, somebody will go try to do the same with another club like LAFC or something. Then somebody can come do the same with LA Galaxy and the rivalry will make them both better. The league is still growing and needs to take a full on capitalist approach of using competition to accelerate its development.

USL needs to go all out and find a way to be more interesting. Be a cool alternative. Go sign a controversial superstar or something. Push the envelope and hope for an eventual merger. If they can make pro/rel work and bring it to MLS, that would be a really neat achievement.
That’s a great way to become the Bundesliga where one team pretty much has a stranglehold on the league. And even the premier league is pretty top heavy.
 
That’s a great way to become the Bundesliga where one team pretty much has a stranglehold on the league. And even the premier league is pretty top heavy.
Aren’t all the top leagues pretty top heavy at this point? Seems like England and Italy are the most competitive with like 5-7 clubs that can win it and then everyone else has only 1-3 clubs who can actually win the league.
 
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You’re not wrong, but I do disagree with this line of thinking.

Thats the entire point of relegation. Did you suck at managing your club? You get punished and now you have to adjust your payroll to adjust for the different revenue of playing at a lower league. If you can’t figure out how to do it then yea your team will go bankrupt, but that’s kind of the point…

Brazil is the size of the US and it has four tiers to their pyramid, yes engagement is much higher in Brazil, but the US economically is much richer. I’m sure we can make a 3-4 tier system work.
I agree with you completely on this. I'm just saying the risk/reward of this type of investment (for those with the means to do it) is far greater than other options out there. I really hope there are enough people willing to accept that risk to get it off the ground.

I just have my doubts because I've seen so many NFL/MLB/NHL/NBA teams move cities over the years, and all of those have more established fan interest. I feel like I could see a soccer owner cut his losses versus investing more into a sports entertainment market that has been ballooning somewhat dangerously for awhile.

I'm just building a wall of pessimism so I don't get too disappointed :p
 
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I've lived in Colorado for a bit now. After going to a couple of Rapids games, even though they sucked I wanted to consider getting season tickets. They've just continued to raise prices and the product on the field is still bad. It's made me lose interest quite a bit.
 
That’s a great way to become the Bundesliga where one team pretty much has a stranglehold on the league. And even the premier league is pretty top heavy.
EPL is the least top heavy of the big 5. But agree on wanting some parity.
 
Aren’t all the top leagues pretty top heavy at this point? Seems like England and Italy are the most competitive with like 5-7 clubs that can win it and then everyone else has only 1-3 clubs who can actually win the league.
Yeah they are. Right now one of MLS’ draws is its parity. You don’t want to lose that. And even if you got rid of its roster restrictions it still wouldn’t become a top league so the draw wouldn’t be there
 

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