Thoughts on Coach, Be Respectful

[joefrog]

I am just curious, what has McDermott done to earn loyalty from ISU fans? I mean honestly, make the case for him. The real world requires results. In major college basketball, that means wins on the court. With ISU's fanbase and arena, and now practice facilities, there are no excuses anymore. It all falls on the shoulders of Greg. And he has let us down over and over again.

I loved the hire, and stuck with the guy for 3 years. Yeah, I jumped off the bandwagon after the Northwestern loss. I couldn't do it anymore. I couldn't make excuses for him, and I couldn't sell hope. I don't have any left, not as long as Greg is the guy in charge. I wish I could, because he seems like a great person. But he has really failed us as a coach so far.

3 and a half years in, can anybody even name McD's signature win?

 

[Cloner93]

Brackins needs to re-establish an inside game and not shoot the fade away every time when he does postup. It's great that he can shoot the 3, but I think that it's taking away from the offensive flow...he only took 7 shots inside the 3 line against tech. I think it would be better if he gets 30 touches down low and shoots half the time and get the other guys some open looks when he gets double teamed. He should be getting to the foul line all the time, but he's playing a finesse game.

We have don't have an inside game for the most part. I think we need to get away from taking 3's and be a much more aggresive team and get the other teams in foul trouble. Just need to practice our free throws more.

I think Mac's faults are that he's playing an offense that doesn't take advantage of all the players strengths and he really hasn't helped Brackins develop a strong inside game. For example, remember how Fizer matured by his Jr year, he was always somewhat disapointing prior to that year, never really dominated. The coaches really worked hard on him to be more aggresive and also worked a lot on his vertical. Brackins hasn't dominated any game this year.

 

[dbronco7sc]

Re: Regardless of tonight's game....

Just began reading this thread... I couldn't get through the first 5 posts before I felt compelled to resond.

It's time. We'll have nothing more than moral victories the rest of this year. We may even be done playing meaningful games now.

Did Lucca Staiger write this post for you? Sounds like you're quitting in mid-season...

I'm tired of losing basketball.

Most of this post was just fine... but this post summarizes what most everyone on here feels. However, when you think about it... is that one sentence really a good enough reason for people to get as worked up as they appear to on this site? People on here get down right angry at eachother and fight on this site because... we're tired of losing basketball. It's a game... does ISU Mens basketball really have that big of an effect on one's life? there are so many more important things in the world. If you're not going to be happy in the world until McD gets fired... because you're tired of losing basketball... then I feel sorry for you. We all want to win... but sheesh... some reactions are rediculous.

In all honesty, if this team doesn't go to any post season it will probably be the biggest disappointing season as a whole in MBB history.

Personal opinion... but comments like these happen most years.

A quick look at Wikipedia shows in 89-91 Orr had a 10-18 and a 12-19 season.

From 75-76 we went 13-40.

Those seem a bit worse considering we're already at 12 wins this year... only 3 games into conference.

 

[Cyrocks]

I am just curious, what has McDermott done to earn loyalty from ISU fans? I mean honestly, make the case for him. The real world requires results. In major college basketball, that means wins on the court. With ISU's fanbase and arena, and now practice facilities, there are no excuses anymore. It all falls on the shoulders of Greg. And he has let us down over and over again.

I loved the hire, and stuck with the guy for 3 years. Yeah, I jumped off the bandwagon after the Northwestern loss. I couldn't do it anymore. I couldn't make excuses for him, and I couldn't sell hope. I don't have any left, not as long as Greg is the guy in charge. I wish I could, because he seems like a great person. But he has really failed us as a coach so far.

3 and a half years in, can anybody even name McD's signature win?

I think the same people who have loyalty to Gmac are sort of the same as those who had loyalty to Dan Mc.

Also, I think people really want to see people work out. You state you were loyal up to a point, and now you have a change of heart. I get that and I appreciate it.

Personally, I rather wait until the end of a season to start talk about how ISU needs to replace a coach. I felt the same way about Dan Mc.

There is a lot of season out there to play.

 

[dbronco7sc]

I am just curious, what has McDermott done to earn loyalty from ISU fans? I mean honestly, make the case for him. The real world requires results.

I'm just curious... what have you done that makes you deserve to be cheering for a team that has as much success as you expect out of the Cyclones? I'm not trying to be rude... maybe you donate a lot of money... maybe you attend and cheer loud every game... I dunno. But my point is a lot of people on here seem to feel that ISU owes it to them to put a 23+ win team on the floor.

Its easy for us to call out everyone else for not doing the right thing when we're sitting behind our computers. We want somebody else to go out and do great things that we can cheer and brag about. As passionate as some of our fans seem to be... go out and work hard to be a great coach and apply to be the Iowa State coach and do what seems should be so easy for the current staff to do.

Again... I am not trying to single this post out... it just provided a good quote that I have seen a lot on here... we all feel that ISU owes things to us... while all we have to do is sit and watch them do a bunch of work.

My take on being a fan isn't that one side owes the other. But you band together and support eachother. You're loyal to eachother because you share a common goal.

 

[Tre4ISU]

I think the same people who have loyalty to Gmac are sort of the same as those who had loyalty to Dan Mc.

Personally, I rather wait until the end of a season to start talk about how ISU needs to replace a coach. I felt the same way about Dan Mc.

There is a lot of season out there to play.

I think your correct. I guess, though, I am an exception. The thing is I don't know why. Maybe because Dan got us to a level for a decent stretch of time but never really got us over the "hump" so to speak.

I know Gregs record is pretty bad, yet for someone unknown reason I still believe he can do great things he. I am likely wrong and I know this but for some reason I think it. Mac had good teams at UNI and he didn't suddenly forget how to coach. There is a disconnect somewhere. Honestly, as of right now, I think everyone except Gilstrap is back next year. When I look at who is likely going to the draft next year and try to place Brackins, I can't help but put him in the mid second round at best. He doesn't have a position in the NBA. I look at him sort of like an Adam Morrison except not that good right now. A lot can change by the end of the season, but right now I have to say he comes back. Mac will be here next year. Somehow he has got to fina a way to get this team winning. Will it happen? I have no clue but I certainly will not quit supporting what we have right now.

 

[BryceC]

Re: Regardless of tonight's game....

However, when you think about it... is that one sentence really a good enough reason for people to get as worked up as they appear to on this site? People on here get down right angry at eachother and fight on this site because... we're tired of losing basketball. It's a game... does ISU Mens basketball really have that big of an effect on one's life? there are so many more important things in the world.

You just made an outstanding case to not go to games, donate to the athletics department, or watch at all.

I mean there's a million other more important things to do.

I know that's not what you're doing here but people get worked up about this because they spend time and money on it. ISU athletics is easily my biggest entertainment expense each year.

 

[Tre4ISU]

I am just curious, what has McDermott done to earn loyalty from ISU fans? I mean honestly, make the case for him. The real world requires results. In major college basketball, that means wins on the court. With ISU's fanbase and arena, and now practice facilities, there are no excuses anymore. It all falls on the shoulders of Greg. And he has let us down over and over again.

I loved the hire, and stuck with the guy for 3 years. Yeah, I jumped off the bandwagon after the Northwestern loss. I couldn't do it anymore. I couldn't make excuses for him, and I couldn't sell hope. I don't have any left, not as long as Greg is the guy in charge. I wish I could, because he seems like a great person. But he has really failed us as a coach so far.

3 and a half years in, can anybody even name McD's signature win?

So you jumped off the bandwagon after we lost to a team that was once in the top 25 in a close game? Ya, seems rational.

 

[dbronco7sc]

Re: Regardless of tonight's game....

You just made an outstanding case to not go to games, donate to the athletics department, or watch at all.

I mean there's a million other more important things to do.

I know that's not what you're doing here but people get worked up about this because they spend time and money on it. ISU athletics is easily my biggest entertainment expense each year.

There are a million more important things than the result of a game. I think someone spending their time to go to events and do other fun things and not just 'work' their whole life is very important. But I can't justify spending so much time complaining and stressing out over the results.

Also, I wouldn't go to games if I knew we'd win every one every time. That's not exciting. I go to watch basketball games because you don't know the result until the end. And in my opinion... when we do win our next big game... it'll be all the more exciting considering what we've gone through to get there.

Why was the Nebraska football win so big? Because we waited and waited and then the day came and we were able to celebrate.

I wouldn't be a fan if I were so miserable during the losses only to get one big Nebraska win. I'm a fan because I enjoy the wins but can shrug off the losses and not let it ruin my day.

I don't expect everyone to be the same as me. But I feel bad for those who can be so miserable because their favorite team loses games.

 

[BryceC]

I think you're grossly overstating how "miserable" people are because of the losing. I do pity anybody that let's it effect anything else in their life.

If I didn't have internet access at work I would probably have 4 posts on this site. I think a lot of people could say the same thing.

 

[IlikeTornados]

Greg has no signature wins. When you think of Greg, you think of Wesley and Lucca leaving. And yes, cyclone basketball does mean alot because alot of us have been watching it since we were little kids with our parents and do spend alot of money on season tickets for more than one sport. Our fans are very loyal and come even when we are losing, but it gets old when you see the team fall apart and sometimes not even look like they're trying.

 

[IlikeTornados]

.... And if we even think about going after Ben Jacobsen I will be furious.

 

[Cyrocks]

.... And if we even think about going after Ben Jacobsen I will be furious.

:biglaugh:

He could be a good one, however. You just never know.

 

[dbronco7sc]

I think you're grossly overstating how "miserable" people are because of the losing. I do pity anybody that let's it effect anything else in their life.

If I didn't have internet access at work I would probably have 4 posts on this site. I think a lot of people could say the same thing.

Maybe I am, I've been known to misinterpret posts as much as the next person. It just seems that the choice of words come from some strong feelings. Enough that people will use hateful words to eachother and wish for people to lose their jobs over such things that in my opinion... aren't all that important when put in perspective.

Maybe it's just venting and much of what's said is not truly meant. But all I can go on is based on what is said.

 

[jbhtexas]

Re: Regardless of tonight's game....

Also, I wouldn't go to games if I knew we'd win every one every time. That's not exciting. I go to watch basketball games because you don't know the result until the end. And in my opinion... when we do win our next big game... it'll be all the more exciting considering what we've gone through to get there.

Why was the Nebraska football win so big? Because we waited and waited and then the day came and we were able to celebrate.

So, losing is fine by you because it gets you more excited when a victory finally does come along...OK then.

I think it's quite exciting to win games. It's also very exciting when the teams you cheer for get to post season play, as opposed to watching other people have fun cheering for their teams.

Major conference college MBB coaches are paid to win. MBB is counted on to contribute significantly to the the athletic department budget in order to fund the other sports. More winning = more revenue. So while winning consistently may not excite you, it's a job requirement for the MBB coach. And if the coach can't win, another will be brought in to reverse that situation.

 

[Angie]

Maybe I am, I've been known to misinterpret posts as much as the next person. It just seems that the choice of words come from some strong feelings. Enough that people will use hateful words to eachother and wish for people to lose their jobs over such things that in my opinion... aren't all that important when put in perspective.

Maybe it's just venting and much of what's said is not truly meant. But all I can go on is based on what is said.

I agree that some people are getting waaay too wound up. Leaving Lucca Facebook messages that you hope he dies, calling him a Nazi, and telling him to "[expletive deleted] off" are absolutely insane. You don't have to agree with stuff that happens, but it shouldn't dictate your emotions. It's just a game. Passion is good, but you want a sense of relative importance and perspective.

 

[dbronco7sc]

Re: Regardless of tonight's game....

So, losing is fine by you because it gets you more excited when a victory finally does come along...OK then.

I think it's quite exciting to win games. It's also very exciting when the teams you cheer for get to post season play, as opposed to watching other people have fun cheering for their teams.

Major conference college MBB coaches are paid to win. MBB is counted to contribute significantly to the the athletic department budget in order to fund the other sports. More winning = more revenue. So while winning consistently may not excite you, it's a job requirement for the MBB coach. And if the coach can't win, another will be brought in to reverse that situation.

I don't disagree with anything you wrote. I'd rather win games than lose them. I just don't expect us to win all the time, if I knew we would win every game... it would not be exciting, it would be going through the motions. I just wouldn't quit on my team mid season, I'd finish things out before deciding if we need a different coach. Right now he has twice as many wins as losses this season. And yes... I understand the context of non-conference. But I won't call conference games a loss until they have finished being played.

The point about losing making things more exciting. That is not meant to justify losing... it's just saying what it is. If we have gone to the tourney for the last 10 years straight. Then just getting there wouldn't be as exciting as it would for us to get there this year. We'd be calling for our coaches head if he lost in the first round 4 straight years, when we've made it 10 years straight.

 

[Cyrocks]

Re: Regardless of tonight's game....

I don't disagree with anything you wrote. I'd rather win games than lose them. I just don't expect us to win all the time, if I knew we would win every game... it would not be exciting, it would be going through the motions. I just wouldn't quit on my team mid season, I'd finish things out before deciding if we need a different coach. Right now he has twice as many wins as losses this season. And yes... I understand the context of non-conference. But I won't call conference games a loss until they have finished being played.

The point about losing making things more exciting. That is not meant to justify losing... it's just saying what it is. If we have gone to the tourney for the last 10 years straight. Then just getting there wouldn't be as exciting as it would for us to get there this year. We'd be calling for our coaches head if he lost in the first round 4 straight years, when we've made it 10 years straight.

I understand that you have to experience some lows before you appreciate the highs (no pot pun intended), however I remember when WE all expected to see ISU beat Danny Manning and Kansas, Billy Tubbs and Oklahoma, Sutton and Big Country at Oklahoma State.

In a lot of ways, I agree with some who are not a believer in Gmac anymore because I don't have the same, "got to get that ticket to the Kansas home game so I can watch ISU kick butt" feeling as I did with Orr's teams.

A win Saturday will be as big of a shot in the arm for this program as the Nebraska football win.