*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[Mesaclone1]

If that's your criteria, Mizzoulander, than you've just ruled out the SEC as a potential destination for Missouri. The SEC has NONE of the 3 things you've listed...The Florida Sunshine network, for example, loves to show high school highlights. Nor does the SEC share tier 3 rights. Nor does it have a 13, 6 or anything close to a rights deal as you are claiming to demand.

So if those are your criteria...how the heck could Mizzou EVER go to the SEC?

 

[Let's Go State]

The sec is overrated incredibly. Mizzou will probably average maybe 1 more loss than they do now. My reasoning....Kentucky, Vanderbilt, miss state, ole miss, Tam, Arkansas, Georgia, south Carolina, Tennessee, are all beatable teams year in and out. Only Florida, Alabama, auburn, and lsu are the carriers of the reputation of supremacy.

This is a dumb move for mizzou because of logistics. Travel will be awful and they will never be close to having a championship game in MO. But mizzou fans travel poorly anyway so that doesn't matter.

Missouri is a Midwestern state. I can understand wanting to be in the big ten, but the sec does not share most of the Missouri culture other than the bootheel.

The sec may see the Kansas city and st louis markets, but those markets are mixed with KU, KSU, ISU, and Illinois markets that really don't care about mizzou, and the rest of the focus there is the pro teams.

In the end, I don't see this happening. Its not a smart move, but you can't blame them for wanting some solid footing.

 

[hurdleisu24]

The thing about Tulane is according to the article it would be added only if the big 12 went to 12 teams it won't come in just to fill AtM's spot. Im all for getting a team that can expand the boarders of the conference, be a southern team that's not in Texas. Don't they play their home games at the SuperDome still?

 

[cyman05]

The sec is overrated incredibly. Mizzou will probably average maybe 1 more loss than they do now. My reasoning....Kentucky, Vanderbilt, miss state, ole miss, Tam, Arkansas, Georgia, south Carolina, Tennessee, are all beatable teams year in and out. Only Florida, Alabama, auburn, and lsu are the carriers of the reputation of supremacy.

This is a dumb move for mizzou because of logistics. Travel will be awful and they will never be close to having a championship game in MO. But mizzou fans travel poorly anyway so that doesn't matter.

Missouri is a Midwestern state. I can understand wanting to be in the big ten, but the sec does not share most of the Missouri culture other than the bootheel.

The sec may see the Kansas city and st louis markets, but those markets are mixed with KU, KSU, ISU, and Illinois markets that really don't care about mizzou, and the rest of the focus there is the pro teams.

In the end, I don't see this happening. Its not a smart move, but you can't blame them for wanting some solid footing.

+1...Most of the "glory" of the SEC is about perception. But the facts tell the story. Who is the #1 rated conference right now? Big 12. Who is getting bashed day after day? Big 12.

Missouri commits, we add a few schools, grant of rights signed to take away all realignment talk, and perception is changed.

 

[CrossCyed]

Mizzou fan saying they need Texas and other to share T3 rights...Florida had the richest T3 deal before LHN...they might want to renegotiate for all you know Mizzou fan. It's outlandish to expect the T3 right to be given up short of having a conference network, ala the B1G. It's Unfortunate that the Big XII schools didn't see the vision of Kevin Wieberg and sent him packing to the B1G, where he revolutionized the CFB greed game...in hindsight, we could have been in the B1G's shoes...he's now out west with that other d-bag, Larry Scott.

No other conference member is asking for any other conference member to give up T3 right now...the SEC would have to go that route if they form their own network...if you read Outkickthecoverage.com that ****** Clay is claiming that's what Slive is pushing 14 members for, to get ESPN to renegotiate and form their network for them. The only reason Slive/SEC wants Mizzou is because it's a big happy greedy family...they want the TVs in a new footprint...they don't care if you ever win in their conference...and neither do we!

I don't doubt that Travis has a decent handle on SEC stuff, and has probably heard whispers of a network, but the column in which he brings it up hardly backs it up with evidence to characterize it as an inevitability.

 

[QBUMizzou]

I don't see how my ISU friends can continue to argue that Mizzou is crazy to leave the Big 12 for the SEC. They say doing so would mean the Tiger football team would be a 5-7 or 6-6 team forever. They wonder why anyone would want to be in a conference with that kind of competition.

Hasn't that been ISU's situation in the Big 12 for almost as long as anyone can remember? Let's face it, most years ISU is ecstatic to get to a bowl game. Does that mean that ISU should be playing on a lesser conference? That they don't belong in the Big 12?

Of course not, because as much as it pains MU and ISU fans to say it, there's more to conference affiliation than winning. ISU doesn't want this conference to fail because they are worried about losing the money they receive from conference affiliation. They're worried a lesser conference (like the BE or MWC) would mean less money, and less exposure. They are worried about losing tier one status.

Oddly enough, those same factors have pushed A&M, CU and NU to leave. Competitive equality (which is paid for with cold hard cash) has vanished in the Big 12, and everyone knows it. Knowing this, MU would be absolute fools to turn down an offer from the SEC.

I have no idea if Mizzou will leave, but I don't blame them if they do. And I would feel the same with if it were ISU.

Thank you for getting on here. IMO, you're a way better poster than Mizzoulander...

I think its really hard for you to compare MU and ISU. The last several years, Missouri has been a top 25 team. Missouri can either choose to remain in that situation, or get more losses in a more "glorious conference."

Do I blame Mizzou for going? NO. It is absolutely not crazy to trade in wins for money and the chance to play in the "glorious SEC." You just have to realize the price you're paying to leave the Big 12 in terms of wins.

Meanwhile ISU has not been a top 25 team. To go to another conference would not mean less wins because you can't really go down much. In fact, going to any other conference (sans SEC) would mean more wins. In the end, the fact is that ISU doesn't have choices.

Your key statement is "because as much as it pains MU and ISU fans to say it, there's more to conference affiliation than winning." You just have to realize that playing in the SEC is going to cost you wins. If you're okay with losing wins every year to get more money, then I don't call you crazy, but just another player in the money grab. That's just the way it is.

I totally get your point, and I assure you that I am not some idiot ISU basher. I think it absolutely sucks that the situation is what it is. However, Mizzou fans realize that this is an untenable situation. Something has to give, and we all know that it's not gonna be Texas doing the giving.

Honestly, I hope you're wrong. I hope that ISU has choices. I respect you guys, and I respect our shared history. Unfortunately, respect and tradition aren't hot commodities right now.

 

[CrossCyed]

I totally get your point, and I assure you that I am not some idiot ISU basher. I think it absolutely sucks that the situation is what it is. However, Mizzou fans realize that this is an untenable situation. Something has to give, and we all know that it's not gonna be Texas doing the giving.

Honestly, I hope you're wrong. I hope that ISU has choices. I respect you guys, and I respect our shared history. Unfortunately, respect and tradition aren't hot commodities right now.

They've already made a number of concessions that they didn't have to. But, to ask them to tear up an LHN deal that helps to fund the university's general fund itself is unrealistic.

 

[hurdleisu24]

I totally get your point, and I assure you that I am not some idiot ISU basher. I think it absolutely sucks that the situation is what it is. However, Mizzou fans realize that this is an untenable situation. Something has to give, and we all know that it's not gonna be Texas doing the giving.

Honestly, I hope you're wrong. I hope that ISU has choices. I respect you guys, and I respect our shared history. Unfortunately, respect and tradition aren't hot commodities right now.

This is what is so wrong with all this realingment we had lost all of it

 

[QBUMizzou]

I don't see how my ISU friends can continue to argue that Mizzou is crazy to leave the Big 12 for the SEC. They say doing so would mean the Tiger football team would be a 5-7 or 6-6 team forever. They wonder why anyone would want to be in a conference with that kind of competition.

Hasn't that been ISU's situation in the Big 12 for almost as long as anyone can remember? Let's face it, most years ISU is ecstatic to get to a bowl game. Does that mean that ISU should be playing on a lesser conference? That they don't belong in the Big 12?

Of course not, because as much as it pains MU and ISU fans to say it, there's more to conference affiliation than winning. ISU doesn't want this conference to fail because they are worried about losing the money they receive from conference affiliation. They're worried a lesser conference (like the BE or MWC) would mean less money, and less exposure. They are worried about losing tier one status.

Oddly enough, those same factors have pushed A&M, CU and NU to leave. Competitive equality (which is paid for with cold hard cash) has vanished in the Big 12, and everyone knows it. Knowing this, MU would be absolute fools to turn down an offer from the SEC.

I have no idea if Mizzou will leave, but I don't blame them if they do. And I would feel the same with if it were ISU.

If you guys were looking at the Big 10, I'd get it and wouldn't doubt it for a second. You get more money and more wins. I'm not blaming you for looking for a better situation, I'm blaming you for running head first into something that's unlikely to be a better situation, and leaving us on a geographical island.

You're looking at losing wins for what's likely not any more money. All so you can do some stupid chant and say "HEY! LOOK AT US! WE'RE IN THE SECSECSEC!" What is the allure of that? Why do you want that so bad? It sure hasn't helped Vanderbilt and Kentucky. Do you think you're going to make the same cash as Bama, Florida, LSU, Georgia, etc? The same imbalance you found in the Big 12 will exist in the SEC and will be skewed even more against you.

Again, the Big 10 makes total sense from every conceivable angle. The SEC makes next to no sense. Go ahead and shove the shotgun down your throat if you're hell bent on it. There are schools that would kill to have what you have.

You guys are star struck. Pure and simple. You eat ESPN's SEC jizz, and you are so damn obsessed about the idea of being in the most prestigious league, that you don't care about the program suicide you're committing. It looks like the inmates are running the asylum in Columbia. Be careful what you wish for, because you will get it.

You may be right. I'm pretty raw about all of this right now, so I can't promise I'm 100% objective. I'm just really, really sick of Mizzou being trashed by members of this conference.

If there is a suicide watch right now, it's not in COMO. No, it's from the idiot schools who chose to reject equal revenue sharing, over and over and over.

 

[CloneAbuse]

I don't doubt that Travis has a decent handle on SEC stuff, and has probably heard whispers of a network, but the column in which he brings it up hardly backs it up with evidence to characterize it as an inevitability.

He's actually touched on it multiple times in the last month in his articles. He's the Chip of the SEC...so he's being fed by someone that wants ideas floated...at Texas the source is Deloss, for Clay, not sure...

 

[cyman05]

I totally get your point, and I assure you that I am not some idiot ISU basher. I think it absolutely sucks that the situation is what it is. However, Mizzou fans realize that this is an untenable situation. Something has to give, and we all know that it's not gonna be Texas doing the giving.

Honestly, I hope you're wrong. I hope that ISU has choices. I respect you guys, and I respect our shared history. Unfortunately, respect and tradition aren't hot commodities right now.

What more is Texas supposed to give? Mizzou fans basically want Texas to give up the Longhorn network. They do that and its PAC16 in a heartbeat.

Ahhh tradition...the thing that made college football great. If only people could put dollar signs next to the value of tradition...then maybe that would turn heads.

 

[cyman05]

You may be right. I'm pretty raw about all of this right now, so I can't promise I'm 100% objective. I'm just really, really sick of Mizzou being trashed by members of this conference.

If there is a suicide watch right now, it's not in COMO. No, it's from the idiot schools who chose to reject equal revenue sharing, over and over and over.

Like Nebraska and A&M?

 

[CyFan61]

What more is Texas supposed to give? Mizzou fans basically want Texas to give up the Longhorn network. They do that and its PAC16 in a heartbeat.

+1

Maybe Beebe was a super genius. He knew the LHN was the only thing to save the conference in 2010. Did he also know it would be the only thing to keep it together on account of no one else taking Texas as long as they have it?

Pass me some of that Danny Dan Juice!

 

[Yes13]

Mizzou, just stay, we like you. You're gonna get paid, you also have a better chance at winning, better basketball, keep your rivalries, closer games, and you won't have to drive into the dirty south. Nobody likes rednecks.

 

[cyman05]

Any chance we can close this thread by the end of next week?

U of L conference update: Big 12 interested, action expected in next 10 days | Eric Crawford

 

[Doc]

+1

Maybe Beebe was a super genius. He knew the LHN was the only thing to save the conference in 2010. Did he also know it would be the only thing to keep it together on account of no one else taking Texas as long as they have it?

Pass me some of that Danny Dan Juice!

You're a Beebeliever!

 

[Cyclophile1]

You may be right. I'm pretty raw about all of this right now, so I can't promise I'm 100% objective. I'm just really, really sick of Mizzou being trashed by members of this conference.

If there is a suicide watch right now, it's not in COMO. No, it's from the idiot schools who chose to reject equal revenue sharing, over and over and over.

I know that a lot of people are reacting strongly about MU doing what it's doing now, mainly due to the timing I think.

They way that the negotiations are going, I think it's fair to say that MU stands to get more of what they want in the BigXII than what they will get from the SEC.

If it comes down to 'competitive equality' in the end, the SEC is a worse situation than a divisional new BigXII with 12 or 14 teams. MU is poised to be a top dog in a North or East division in most scenarios that make sense geographically.

The money is not likely to be substantially better in the SEC - we have seen analysis that shows this.

If it's really coming down to the network deal, then why doesn't MU spearhead the formation of a Big12 Network or at least some BigXII North regional network? We have models for how this can work. I'm sure other programs would support this.

 

[Doc]

Any chance we can close this thread by the end of next week?

U of L conference update: Big 12 interested, action expected in next 10 days | Eric Crawford

hehe, NO

 

[shadow]

At the end of the day with this whole deal, I hope the Big East loses its BCS affiliation. It is a joke of a conference for football. It needs to die. That's why I'm all for plucking L'ville and WVU (TCU too). If Mizzou stayed, that'd be a decent 12 team conference...

 

[mikem]

I don't think it was the HS highlights that forced the move. I think it was the LHN standing in the way of developing a viable Tier 3 rights network for the whole league. Beware reports for Orangebloods...they're just cow Chips straight from Bevo's mouth.

It's an interesting question, though. I think the fans have already cut emotional ties to the Big 12 (and contrary to reports, NOBODY believes we're going to the B1G).

We'll probably keep the KU rivalry in some form (certainly in football...they need the $$$). I don't know that anybody's really concerned about the other teams.

The pipeline ain't closed...like I've said, we'll be fine.

Better chance at winning...you got me there. Definitely a step up in competition.

Geographic relevancy? Hasn't seem to hurt LSU. Or South Carolina. In fact, depending on whomever the Big 12 invites, we may have ended up FURTHER away from our conference partners (like BYU or WVU).

There's no getting back at Texas. Even if MU's move was able to dissolve the conference, Bevo would land on her feet. We just don't want to be around when she decides that she can make an extra $20M by moving somewhere else.

WOW,ARE YOU A HAWK FAN? You are as delusional as one.

Mizzu doesn't have nearly the athletes that SC and LSU have in their backyards. My God the caliber of athlete in missu compared to Louisana, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, and South Carolina is like the difference between Snooki and Jessica Alba.

You are doing the same thing that aggy did. You have one thing you could dangle out there a couple tv markets. You offer NOTHING competitively in that conference..

I can see why you would want to leave the Big 12. But the SEC is career suicide for the coaches and administrators. Wait until you draw the same 35-40 k for football games that you did 7-8 years ago. It will happen when you are only beating Kentucky and Vanderbilt.