I haven't read anything leading up to this or even this exact post, I'm just shocked that you are still here.
Completely annoyed by it as well.
*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****
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I haven't read anything leading up to this or even this exact post, I'm just shocked that you are still here.
Completely annoyed by it as well.
To those of you that keep proposing expansion options involving both the Big East and BYU,
WVU to BYU - 1928 Miles
Rutgers to BYU - 2189 Miles
Currently, the longest trip in the Big 12
ISU to UT - 965 Miles
Not to mention, with the BYU to Big East, you are spanning 3 time zones, while the current conference exists entirely in one.
I see a couple options. One, you take 1-3 teams out east to get to 10 or 12. Two, you go west and take BYU with the intention of staying at 10. I don't think you can expand both east and west, and I don't think there are any other options to the west worth adding beyond BYU. I think at this point east is the likely bet, since it would leave future options open if we wanted to continue past 12 at some point.
WVU to BYU - 1928 Miles
Rutgers to BYU - 2189 Miles
Currently, the longest trip in the Big 12
ISU to UT - 965 Miles
Not to mention, with the BYU to Big East, you are spanning 3 time zones, while the current conference exists entirely in one.
I see a couple options. One, you take 1-3 teams out east to get to 10 or 12. Two, you go west and take BYU with the intention of staying at 10. I don't think you can expand both east and west, and I don't think there are any other options to the west worth adding beyond BYU. I think at this point east is the likely bet, since it would leave future options open if we wanted to continue past 12 at some point.
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I think the momentum has shifted East. Plus..BYU is another school with its own network. Once we have UT under control, do we really want to bring in someone else that has their own network we have to deal with along with all the other stipulations (no games on Sunday, etc.)???
Question ... Isn't it true that ISU gave to aTm the exit fees due us from the CU/Nebraska departure?
If so, we should require those back before signing any waiver of litigation. If aggy doesn't give the $$ back, sue for that amount.
If so, we should require those back before signing any waiver of litigation. If aggy doesn't give the $$ back, sue for that amount.
We shouldn't add Rutgers or UConn for this reason, but Uconn is going ACC anyway. South Florida and UCF should probably be out if there are other good options too.
Louisville almost fits the current footprint. WV would not be in BYU's division.
If one team leaves that 12, Cincy or TCU slides in. If 14 makes sense maybe take both anyway.
Lousiville is the only team that actually shares a border with a B12 team and makes the most sense as the 10th imo. They bring ok football credentials and excellent basketball credentials and will be a team player.
The 5 teams gave A&M a guarantee that if their revenue was not $20 million we (the 5) would make up the difference until the new Fox deal kicked in.
Why would you want just 10 teams, with 3 conferences on our borders looking to add 4, 3 and 4 teams in the future.
That's insane if there are teams like WVU and BYU available to make 12. I'm not saying expand to 16, but sitting at ten is asking to be picked apart.
If there was some guarantee it would be those 10 forever, sign me up. In reality, I want BYU, Louisville and WVU for sure. On the fence about Cincy/TCU for 14.
The problem is if you start raiding the Big East...you're going to get the same thing we were worried about...mega conferences. Yes we'd probably have a seat...but still that sucks for college fb in my opinion. Role reversal and one I don't want. Maybe the SEC will let us have Arkansas so they stay at 12.
I didn't say that I didn't want to go to 12 eventually. I just don't think that is in the cards until the B12 gets the rest of their issues worked out. I get the draw of BYU, but as many have said I don't think it's good to expand across 3 time zones.
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The problem is if you start raiding the Big East...you're going to get the same thing we were worried about...mega conferences. Yes we'd probably have a seat...but still that sucks for college fb in my opinion. Role reversal and one I don't want. Maybe the SEC will let us have Arkansas so they stay at 12.
If we take 3 from the BE (Say LVille, Cincy, USF), ACC probably takes Rutgers\Uconn, SEC probably goes back to WVU if MU is now off the table. TCU probably gets left out.
You end up with ACC at 16, b10, pac12, and b12 at 12, and SEC at 14. Not really much further expansion that you'd predict from there.
It's going to be a long and hard process getting this B12 back together again. Exemplified by these tweets.
@ChuckCarltonDMN Chuck Carlton
Texas AD DeLoss Dodds: "We're Big 12. Period.
@ChuckCarltonDMN Chuck Carlton
Dodds: But he said Texas has no plans to share Tier 3 rights, i.e. Longhorn Network.
@ChuckCarltonDMN Chuck Carlton
Texas AD DeLoss Dodds: "We're Big 12. Period.
@ChuckCarltonDMN Chuck Carlton
Dodds: But he said Texas has no plans to share Tier 3 rights, i.e. Longhorn Network.
I really am not a big fan of BYU either, but adding BE leftovers to the B12 feels like just adding a bunch more slaves for UT, at least BYU would have some muscle to flex once they were in the conference.
Yeah, I'm thinking it will be something like this too; but I would rather see BYU rather than Cincy or USF.
Exactly. That's why I was really bummed when Pitt bailed so early. Pitt would have served the same purpose but fit better with the other teams. WV does the same thing but I'd think that the SEC would just get MU then which kinda defeats the purpose.
Option 1: Add Notre Dame & Louisville to the North; Arkansas to the South. With the exception of Louisville, this is obviously a "shoot for the stars" scenario, but there's something to be said about staying within your geographic footprint. Fans are more likely to travel to away games if they don't have to drive halfway across the continent.
Option 2: BYU & AF to North; Memphis to South. Air Force would at least give BYU a neighbor. Memphis isn't a sexy pick at first glance; but they play in the Liberty Bowl and have a historically great basketball program so the potential for growth is there. Raiding non-AQ conferences would be much easier as well.
Option3: Absorb what's left of the Big East.
Option4: A combination of 1 2 or 3, but I'd like to see the divisions of North & South restored in some way. Although I wouldn't be surprised to see Houston or SMU added, the conference is already Texas heavy.
Option 2: BYU & AF to North; Memphis to South. Air Force would at least give BYU a neighbor. Memphis isn't a sexy pick at first glance; but they play in the Liberty Bowl and have a historically great basketball program so the potential for growth is there. Raiding non-AQ conferences would be much easier as well.
Option3: Absorb what's left of the Big East.
Option4: A combination of 1 2 or 3, but I'd like to see the divisions of North & South restored in some way. Although I wouldn't be surprised to see Houston or SMU added, the conference is already Texas heavy.
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