Retirement Targets

Yes and that has happened in mutiple polities in the united states over history. Is it right? No. Is it reality? Yes. Many people are broke in retirement that have relied on pensions that aren't there. The nice part about that for them is that they get to blame someone else that they can't afford to retire. With a 401k you have only yourself to blame
My wife believed IPERS was all she needed when she started teaching. We got married and I made her put money into an IRA. At first 1/3 of what was going into the pension and 5 year late start. She now puts 1/2 of what goes into IPERS. If she retires at 60 (in 7 years). A 4% w/d from her IRA will be a couple thousand a year less than her pension.
 
Yes and that has happened in mutiple polities in the united states over history. Is it right? No. Is it reality? Yes. Many people are broke in retirement that have relied on pensions that aren't there. The nice part about that for them is that they get to blame someone else that they can't afford to retire. With a 401k you have only yourself to blame
Have to disagree that multiple states unions have gone bankrupt here in the US. A quick google search shows a few towns and cities have tried, without much success getting out of the obligation of paying the workers what they were owed. Corporations yes, and that is why the law was changed in the 70s forcing them to place those funds in an outside source and to fully fund their employees retirement.
How many peoples 401K have been hurt by recessions like in 93 or 08, many have been. It was not the fault of the 401K owner for the housing crisis or banks closing, but it sure affected people with their retirement funds in the stock market.
 
I don’t care what the website says, my wife got a letter last year saying she would not receive one and she needed to go online if she wanted the info. So I signed her up and got it going for her because I knew she wouldn’t.
How long did it take to sign her up for the online program, 15 minutes or so? So your wife got a letter at the end of 2024 stating that IPERS is moving away from yearly mailing to an online site, but she could still get the information in the mail if requested.
You are talking like this was a huge process that required you to spend hours doing it, it's not going down to the DNV and sitting all day. Go into the site, plug in the info and it's done, then you can access it anytime you want.
 
How long did it take to sign her up for the online program, 15 minutes or so? So your wife got a letter at the end of 2024 stating that IPERS is moving away from yearly mailing to an online site, but she could still get the information in the mail if requested.
You are talking like this was a huge process that required you to spend hours doing it, it's not going down to the DNV and sitting all day. Go into the site, plug in the info and it's done, then you can access it anytime you want.
No it didn’t take a lot of time. Had two mailings. One was user info and other was password.

I just think it’s bad that every other retirement and investment agency can meet with all their clients at minimum 1-2 times a year and send monthly correspondence (some are weekly) and IPERS can’t even meet with a whole school for an hour.
 
Yeah if you start at age 22 and stay disciplined, 25% savings is not necessary by any means (unless you want to retire ‘early’)

Just realize everyone’s situation is different. And many people aren’t able to start saving and do so consistently starting at age 22, for various justifiable reasons
$3200/month is a small pension? That is more than the average SS monthly payment.
 
No it didn’t take a lot of time. Had two mailings. One was user info and other was password.

I just think it’s bad that every other retirement and investment agency can meet with all their clients at minimum 1-2 times a year and send monthly correspondence (some are weekly) and IPERS can’t even meet with a whole school for an hour.
I get what you are saying, but how many thousands of people in Iowa are covered by IPERS, its just not school teachers, but people working for cities and counties, a lot of hospitals, the prisons, police, and fire departments. They would have to hire double the staff they have now, and most of these meeting, would be half empty, if they had them.
 
I get what you are saying, but how many thousands of people in Iowa are covered by IPERS, its just not school teachers, but people working for cities and counties, a lot of hospitals, the prisons, police, and fire departments. They would have to hire double the staff they have now, and most of these meeting, would be half empty, if they had them.
Then how do independent agents meet at minimum once a year individually with each of their clients? For the money in fees they bring in, you think they could have one person meet with a town of 500-1000 in a day. That person could cover a county in a week.

To me, you are getting terrible customer service for a low return product.
 
Then how do independent agents meet at minimum once a year individually with each of their clients? For the money in fees they bring in, you think they could have one person meet with a town of 500-1000 in a day. That person could cover a county in a week.

To me, you are getting terrible customer service for a low return product.
Why would you need to meet with anyone if you are on IPERS? Your IPERs payout is just a calculation that you can get online.
 
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Then how do independent agents meet at minimum once a year individually with each of their clients? For the money in fees they bring in, you think they could have one person meet with a town of 500-1000 in a day. That person could cover a county in a week.

To me, you are getting terrible customer service for a low return product.
I don't know what to tell you, if you have any questions, give them a call or go online and you can get all your answers. I know that is not what you want to hear, but they schedule regional meeting all the time.
 
Why would you need to meet with anyone if you are on IPERS? Your IPERs payout is just a calculation that you can get online.
To understand how everything works. The majority of people I’ve talked to whether teachers or police force say they are retiring when they hit the number. When they get close, they realize that either it’s not as much as they thought, they didn’t save enough on the side, that it’s a flat rate and has no COL increases and other things.
 
To understand how everything works. The majority of people I’ve talked to whether teachers or police force say they are retiring when they hit the number. When they get close, they realize that either it’s not as much as they thought, they didn’t save enough on the side, that it’s a flat rate and has no COL increases and other things.
Couple of things, few people actually stop working when they reach their rule of 88, you are 55 to a little older, and still years away from SS and even further from being able to get on Medicare. Some educators move to another state and draw their retirement but do keep working., But to completely stop working is not going to be in the cards for most people. It's just not, no matter how much they want to.

There is plenty of information out there, I knew what I was going to get at least 10 years before I retired and how much more I would get if I kept teaching. I would say that if you are within 5 years of thinking about retiring, you need to actually spend the time to look at what you are going to get and what you will be missing, things like insurance. I have talked to dozens of people drawing IPERS pension, and everyone of them is making more being retired, drawing their IPERS and SS then they were working. Both my wife and I are two of them. It's not a money problem for many, it becomes how do I pay for health insurance until I can get to age 65 and quality for Medicare.

I just went to the IPERS website and they list virtual meetings every month, most are at night so people that work can log on and ask questions.
 
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To understand how everything works. The majority of people I’ve talked to whether teachers or police force say they are retiring when they hit the number. When they get close, they realize that either it’s not as much as they thought, they didn’t save enough on the side, that it’s a flat rate and has no COL increases and other things.
Gotta support you here. Folks had a ton of choices for payout options and it was super complicated. One way pays more but only til dad dies, another pays less but pays X years after he dies too. It was high stakes and hard to decide and too many options. It was really tough on them to figure.
I think its simplified since then but its a lot for Joe Teacher to reckon.
 
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Gotta support you here. Folks had a ton of choices for payout options and it was super complicated. One way pays more but only til dad dies, another pays less but pays X years after he dies too. It was high stakes and hard to decide and too many options. It was really tough on them to figure.
I think its simplified since then but its a lot for Joe Teacher to reckon.
There are seven options, if you meet with them, they will go through each option and you can decide which one is best for you. My wife and I sat down after looking at the choices and narrow them down to a couple and when we signed up in Des Moines, the gal we were working with, went through the pro and con of each option. I think we chose option 5, which pays less out per month, but when one of us passes, the remaining spouse continues to receive that payment until they also pass.

I had a friend that decided to take the max payout for himself and took some of the extra money to purchase an insurance policy on himself, so when he goes she will have that money.
 
Gotta support you here. Folks had a ton of choices for payout options and it was super complicated. One way pays more but only til dad dies, another pays less but pays X years after he dies too. It was high stakes and hard to decide and too many options. It was really tough on them to figure.
I think its simplified since then but its a lot for Joe Teacher to reckon.
My wife asked at the state fair around 3 years ago what her payout might be because the papers sent to her was stating around 2k/month with a 5 year average of mid 60s. Which she would be 55 with 33 years in. Turned out the annual statement always quoted her at 87.75 instead of 88 for some reason.

The second question was what would be the cash out if chosen. The worker literally got upset with the question. He said no one does it so he wouldn’t give a number. Then he said that it could not be calculated until she actually retired so he can’t answer it. Not really helpful.
 
My wife asked at the state fair around 3 years ago what her payout might be because the papers sent to her was stating around 2k/month with a 5 year average of mid 60s. Which she would be 55 with 33 years in. Turned out the annual statement always quoted her at 87.75 instead of 88 for some reason.

The second question was what would be the cash out if chosen. The worker literally got upset with the question. He said no one does it so he wouldn’t give a number. Then he said that it could not be calculated until she actually retired so he can’t answer it. Not really helpful.
The first one is because she would not be getting the last 3 months of the year in, their calendar year starts in the October to get that quarter in. I actually ended up with 34.75 for the exact
same reason.

If you look on your wife's numbers there should be a cash option that is listed, or there was a couple years ago, when I was looking.
 
The first one is because she would not be getting the last 3 months of the year in, their calendar year starts in the October to get that quarter in. I actually ended up with 34.75 for the exact s
why send out info saying when you reach 88 you get this but she is a quarter short so they hit retirement by a good 40%.
 
The latter. My wife has a 401k from few years she worked before leaving to stay home with the kids, but I've never factored that with my targets. If she goes back and starts contributing more into her accounts we'll probably just generally consider it extra. I am still on track with the targets (still 25-30 years away) with the 25x expenses formula, but maybe just had a slight panic that I was actually only shooting for 60-70% of the real targets because these goals/targets were for individual, not combined.
Have you looked into a Roth IRA for her? I’ve never been in that situation, but I’m pretty sure you can still do that.
 
why send out info saying when you reach 88 you get this but she is a quarter short so they hit retirement by a good 40%.
34.75 is not 40% short, only one quarter, so 25%. Its the way the calculate the service time. It's also why you see teachers starting the school year and then retiring after the first semester, because it gets them them that final quarter of service time. I have no clue why they calculate it the way they do, but that's why she will not get the full 35 years in. A lot of district pay you out in May of your last year so they do not have to make IPERS payments on you for the summer months. It saves them money.

I would also question her only clearing 2 grand a month. If she made in the mid 60s for at least five years, and has 34.75 years of service and is over the age of 55, so no penalty, she will be making more than that after taxes. I had the exact same years in the program, and mine was figured on a $58K average and took one of the lesser payouts the way it's structured and I clear $2575 after taxes a month. She would be clearing more at her salary level.