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cayin

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I'm not worried about the starters. I'm sure just simply not being BDJ's room mate would help him improve. I think what most of us are concerned about is front line depth. Like it's been mentioned, foul trouble or injuries on that front line and we are screwed, especially before Burton gets back. And even with him we don't know if he has the type of skills to even play the 3/4 positions effectively. Bottom line is we need another big, need one bad. Look at the NCAA tournament, all the teams that went far had multiple effective bigs they could bring in.
 

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I'm not worried about the starters. I'm sure just simply not being BDJ's room mate would help him improve. I think what most of us are concerned about is front line depth. Like it's been mentioned, foul trouble or injuries on that front line and we are screwed, especially before Burton gets back. And even with him we don't know if he has the type of skills to even play the 3/4 positions effectively. Bottom line is we need another big, need one bad. Look at the NCAA tournament, all the teams that went far had multiple effective bigs they could bring in.

Actually, go watch any of the videos on the net. Burton is clearly a 3 and possibly can play a 4. Go look at some stats. He may be less than 6'6", but @240 and a strong 240 with a good span and vertical, he does appear to have the tools and talent. I look forward to seeing it.
 

cayin

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Actually, go watch any of the videos on the net. Burton is clearly a 3 and possibly can play a 4. Go look at some stats. He may be less than 6'6", but @240 and a strong 240 with a good span and vertical, he does appear to have the tools and talent. I look forward to seeing it.

Then I must be mistaken, I thought is was more of a guard. And you right, the kid is super strong, and he is over 250 now. But who plays on the front line for the fist month, who plays against Iowa, UNI, the SEC team or any other higher caliber team that we play in that first month? With our starting line up we will already be playing small ball, and nothing but smalls or guards to come off the bench.
 

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Then I must be mistaken, I thought is was more of a guard. And you right, the kid is super strong, and he is over 250 now. But who plays on the front line for the fist month, who plays against Iowa, UNI, the SEC team or any other higher caliber team that we play in that first month? With our starting line up we will already be playing small ball, and nothing but smalls or guards to come off the bench.

Two things. First, what did we do waiting for mckay? And second, we do need one more guy inside, but don't feel the desperation is there. I'd be recruiting for 16/17. Get someone to fill minutes in 15/16 with an eye on starting the year after. I feel we are much more set for 15/16 than people here suggest.
 

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Burton will essentially replace Hogue and could certainly be an upgrade inside at least but that is Yet to be determined...

Edozie didn't play last year so we essentially went with McKay and Niang inside so I agree with above poster that it isn't end of world if we don't sign another big for 2015....Nader is in mix as well. i do think the staff will bring in another big for 2015 otherwise why would we be recruitng Diallo. Obviously the question is whether we land a top notch transfer, Diallo(unlikely), or a mid major type big who spells for 10-12 min a game.
 

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Two things. First, what did we do waiting for mckay? And second, we do need one more guy inside, but don't feel the desperation is there. I'd be recruiting for 16/17. Get someone to fill minutes in 15/16 with an eye on starting the year after. I feel we are much more set for 15/16 than people here suggest.

For the first month last year we did indeed play small ball. But at that point in the season, BDJ was really good. We also were able to bring in two front line players off the bench in Edozie and Nader. So we had Hogue with Niang as starters, and Nader and Edozie (I thought Edozie played pretty good by the way) off the bench. That is 4 guys plus an athletic wing like BDJ that could rebound some. This year for the first month we have only 3 guys that can play the front line positions. It should work out most of the time, but when playing a decent team, with good bigs, and a slowed half court game, small ball may not work. It hurt us against Maryland last year. The other two higher caliber teams we played, Iowa and Arkansas, made the mistake of trying to run with us. If other teams have scouted us, they will try and slow it down against us and try and get our front line into foul trouble.
 

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For the first month last year we did indeed play small ball. But at that point in the season, BDJ was really good. We also were able to bring in two front line players off the bench in Edozie and Nader. So we had Hogue with Niang as starters, and Nader and Edozie (I thought Edozie played pretty good by the way) off the bench. That is 4 guys plus an athletic wing like BDJ that could rebound some. This year for the first month we have only 3 guys that can play the front line positions. It should work out most of the time, but when playing a decent team, with good bigs, and a slowed half court game, small ball may not work. It hurt us against Maryland last year. The other two higher caliber teams we played, Iowa and Arkansas, made the mistake of trying to run with us. If other teams have scouted us, they will try and slow it down against us and try and get our front line into foul trouble.

Excellent. Now, BDJ was a small forward. We used him as a wing, which a 3 can do. We will start niang and mckay, like niang and hogue last year. We will start nader as a 3, but will likely see minutes like a 4 taking advantage of our shooting guards playing some as a 3. Gt next year should be no worse than edoze was last. He should be able to handle some minutes at center. We can pick up almost any pf prepping for next year that can put in some minutes this year.
 
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acgclone

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Does anyone know what transfers we are actually still recruiting at this point?

I don't think there are any public transfers that we're seriously involved in, or at least where there is some mutual interest.

Hopefully there is something going on behind the scenes because with Fred sidelined for the next 6-8 weeks, we're in a tough spot.
 

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I don't think there are any public transfers that we're seriously involved in, or at least where there is some mutual interest.

Hopefully there is something going on behind the scenes because with Fred sidelined for the next 6-8 weeks, we're in a tough spot.

I think that is why Otz is here. He can hit the ground running.
 

Wesley

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I think that is why Otz is here. He can hit the ground running.
Obviously this is why I am no longer impressed with MA. Fred needed him more than ever.

Maybe Otz told Fred he would help him out for a year and then go from there. Maybe Otz said that before MA took the Johnnie job. Or maybe MA jumped before the Otz phonecall. In any case, MA comes off as a shark when Fred needed him. As always said, it is water over the dam now.
 

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Burton will essentially replace Hogue and could certainly be an upgrade inside at least but that is Yet to be determined...

Edozie didn't play last year so we essentially went with McKay and Niang inside so I agree with above poster that it isn't end of world if we don't sign another big for 2015....Nader is in mix as well. i do think the staff will bring in another big for 2015 otherwise why would we be recruitng Diallo. Obviously the question is whether we land a top notch transfer, Diallo(unlikely), or a mid major type big who spells for 10-12 min a game.

Disagree re: not needing another big this year. If the team is to advance in the tourney, they need a good backup big. Need only look at the UAB game when Niang got into early foul trouble to see why. There will definitely be games when he and/or McKay will pick up early fouls. In addition to a big man, I can see getting another shooter due to Long's and Cooke's surgeries. (Matt can definitely fill in, but no one knows how effective he will be based on past performance.) But, as I don't know how their rehab is progressing, this is pure speculation. Not sure, however, that you can tell 100% whether a person has rehabbed fully without seeing them in a game, so another shooting guard would be more of an insurance policy.
 

Cydkar

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Obviously this is why I am no longer impressed with MA. Fred needed him more than ever.

Maybe Otz told Fred he would help him out for a year and then go from there. Maybe Otz said that before MA took the Johnnie job. Or maybe MA jumped before the Otz phonecall. In any case, MA comes off as a shark when Fred needed him. As always said, it is water over the dam now.

How many people here, if they were assistants at School 'B' 1,000 miles from Ames, would pass up an opportunity to be an assistant at ISU with an all time school great? Say Fred Hoiberg or Jeff Hornacek?

I'll hang up and listen.
 

BuffettClone

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How many people here, if they were assistants at School 'B' 1,000 miles from Ames, would pass up an opportunity to be an assistant at ISU with an all time school great? Say Fred Hoiberg or Jeff Hornacek?

I'll hang up and listen.

That all depends, if we're looking at the same situation in reverse where I was as close and loyal to my current head coach as MA claimed to be, knowing said coach was going to be out of commission for a large portion of the off season, and knowing the returning team for next year and how special it could be with an addition or two that we've already been recruiting hard...I would have stayed at School 'B'.

I would also look at it from the perspective of knowing my skills and abilities on top of possibly a very successful season or 2, could land me that "dream job" down the road. If not, I'd still be in a very good place in my career.
 

Cydkar

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That all depends, if we're looking at the same situation in reverse where I was as close and loyal to my current head coach as MA claimed to be, knowing said coach was going to be out of commission for a large portion of the off season, and knowing the returning team for next year and how special it could be with an addition or two that we've already been recruiting hard...I would have stayed at School 'B'.

I would also look at it from the perspective of knowing my skills and abilities on top of possibly a very successful season or 2, could land me that "dream job" down the road. If not, I'd still be in a very good place in my career.

TJ left but we welcomed him back with open arms. Matt went to his alma mater and TJ went to Washington...but Matt is a villain. Matt was supposed to pass up a dream job to continue suckling at Fred's hind teet?

I can sense butthurt when I see it. Or is is smell it?
 

BuffettClone

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TJ left but we welcomed him back with open arms. Matt went to his alma mater and TJ went toWashington...but Matt is a villain. Matt was supposed to pass up a dream job to continue suckling at Fred's hind teet?

I can sense butthurt when I see it. Or is is smell it?

I should have included I'm not trying to make MA out as a villain or imply he made the wrong decision. He made the right choice for him.
I've always hated this term, but there's no "butt hurt" here. You asked what people here would do and I answered with what I would do. I wasn't trying to say what MA should have done.
 

Psiclone

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TJ left but we welcomed him back with open arms. Matt went to his alma mater and TJ went to Washington...but Matt is a villain. Matt was supposed to pass up a dream job to continue suckling at Fred's hind teet?

I can sense butthurt when I see it. Or is is smell it?

Yeah, I don't understand it either, especially since he appears to have been very up-front about the whole thing with Fred and had Fred's blessing. If it's not a problem with Fred, not sure why posters are upset, especially since they have far less knowledge of how things went down than Fred.

All successful managers/supervisors want their employees to succeed and to want to advance. If they don't have that desire, they aren't going to succeed at the current job. You also maintain good relationships with everyone, particularly since you're going to interact with the same person in the future. Add to that that MA and Fred appear to be very close friends, I don't see any reasons to attack MA. If CD doesn't commit to ISU, I want him to go to SJU because I would like MA to be successful.
 

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