Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

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2% is being generous. There is almost zero reason the SEC or Big Ten would want to agree to this as it’s laid out
No, ESPN and Fox wouldn't agree to this as it's laid out. Of course, Sankey and Petitti are their puppets.

Should note that Tennessee AD Danny White is now listed as a CST ambassador with those from the ACC and B12. That is big for the CST given that the B10 and SEC wouldn't previously talk to the CST due to ESPN and Fox pressure.
 

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Marketing, marketing, marketing. Started with manipulated pre-season rankings, early scheduling, media hyping, and early in the season. This is all a chess game being played out many moves in advance.
Yep you’re right those teams clearly had their rankings manipulated, they didn’t look like top teams at all to me and that game certainly didn’t deliver on the hype, I mean come on how boring was that game.

Wild take
 

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We'll all be in it together. It will be absolute chaos with the rest of also rans. That 20 team league can only produce 10 games, obviously, per week and that's with no byes. The networks need more than 9 to 10 games per week. We need to find a way to stay at the top of that secondary heap and we will be good to go.
They will pay $X for 10 games with 10M viewers each.

And they will pay about 10% of X for 25 other games they can shove on ESPN+, CBSSN, FS2, et al and get 1-2M viewers each.
 
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Cool. That’s in the current model not a super league where everyone but the Pac2 still has a seat at the table and reason to watch.
The same people on here that repeatedly say they boycott P2 games and won’t watch in the future are also the same ones who keep throwing out what a 20-24 team league would look like.

So which one is it? No one will watch or a super league would be viable?
 

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The same people on here that repeatedly say they boycott P2 games and won’t watch in the future are also the same ones who keep throwing out what a 20-24 team league would look like.

So which one is it? No one will watch or a super league would be viable?
I mean the same people who are claiming that the Big12 will never get more than one bid are the same ones saying getting two auto bids for the conference isn’t fair. Consistency has never been a strong suit.
 
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Marketing, marketing, marketing. Started with manipulated pre-season rankings, early scheduling, media hyping, and early in the season. This is all a chess game being played out many moves in advance.
You don’t think it was because it was a game between the 2 best programs over the past 10-15 years with rich tradition and huge brands? Or 20-30 future NFL players on the field? Or 2 of the best coaches in the game?

Or was it just marketing manipulation?
 

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You don’t think it was because it was a game between the 2 best programs over the past 10-15 years with rich tradition and huge brands? Or 20-30 future NFL players on the field? Or 2 of the best coaches in the game?

Or was it just marketing manipulation?
Shhhh it’s all a conspiracy theory…
 

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Cool. That’s in the current model not a super league where everyone but the Pac2 still has a seat at the table and reason to watch.
How many people are going to watch Iowa State games in the SL model compared to now? Michigan State? Louisville? Nobody watches these teams.
 

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How many people are going to watch Iowa State games in the SL model compared to now? Michigan State? Louisville? Nobody watches these teams.
That’s a real big piviot from 13 million watched Georgia/Bama to how many people are going to watch Louisville games if a super league was created. I don’t even understand how they are connected.
 

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That’s a real big piviot from 13 million watched Georgia/Bama to how many people are going to watch Louisville games if a super league was created. I don’t even understand how they are connected.
People watch the teams that can contend for titles (20 teams above) when they play each other.

People don't watch teams that don't contend for titles (3 teams above plus many others) nearly as much.

This will be true then and it's true now.

The leaders of these schools know that and know there is more money to be squeezed by grouping all these teams together. There's very little halting them from doing so.
 

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Yep you’re right those teams clearly had their rankings manipulated, they didn’t look like top teams at all to me and that game certainly didn’t deliver on the hype, I mean come on how boring was that game.

Wild take
Oh, it lived up to the hype. My point was that the media's risk earlier in the season is far less than later in the season. They could spend the big bucks to get it viewed with nothing but optimism. My bet is if this were later in the season, the risk of either team being less significant would be greater. And, therefore, more costly to market. We all know interest wanes with each loss.
 

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People watch the teams that can contend for titles (20 teams above) when they play each other.

People don't watch teams that don't contend for titles (3 teams above plus many others) nearly as much.

This will be true then and it's true now.

The leaders of these schools know that and know there is more money to be squeezed by grouping all these teams together. There's very little halting them from doing so.
Nah because the other people watching those teams care about college football because their own team is in the same realm. With a super league why would any ISU fan watch that game? Also how many ISU fans would there even be playing in a “lower” league then the super league.

Now all ISU fans should be interested in that game (as well as many other fan bases) because there is a possibility you have to play them in the playoffs. Go to a super league and lose all those eyeballs, and lose even more when those blue blood teams regularly have losing records
 

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Nah because the other people watching those teams care about college football because their own team is in the same realm. With a super league why would any ISU fan watch that game? Also how many ISU fans would there even be playing in a “lower” league then the super league.

Now all ISU fans should be interested in that game (as well as many other fan bases) because there is a possibility you have to play them in the playoffs. Go to a super league and lose all those eyeballs, and lose even more when those blue blood teams regularly have losing records
Why do Iowa State fans watch Georgia-Alabama or Michigan-USC? Generally, our team isn't in the same realm as them. Yeah, we could beat them, but over the course of a season they'll prove they're championship material and we'll prove that we're top half of the Big 12 material.

We still watch the games because we like football. It's fun to watch.

Your second point doesn't hold much water. Nearly our entire fanbase are alumni, family, or people who live in Iowa. That base isn't changing, there won't be less fans just because we're not in a Super League.
 

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Nah because the other people watching those teams care about college football because their own team is in the same realm. With a super league why would any ISU fan watch that game? Also how many ISU fans would there even be playing in a “lower” league then the super league.

Now all ISU fans should be interested in that game (as well as many other fan bases) because there is a possibility you have to play them in the playoffs. Go to a super league and lose all those eyeballs, and lose even more when those blue blood teams regularly have losing records
I could be out on a limb here. But my friends have dramatically increased their viewership of other teams due to fantasy football type gambling. I'm not a gambler, but to listen to these guys makes me think I'm missing out on the excitement of other games. Other than that, I couldn't agree with you more.
My college hierarchy still is: my team until we're completely out of contention and other conference games impacting ISU's ranking. After that my interest falls to practically nothing. Now NFL is definitely broader cause of all the ISU athletes spread around.
 

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Why do Iowa State fans watch Georgia-Alabama or Michigan-USC? Generally, our team isn't in the same realm as them. Yeah, we could beat them, but over the course of a season they'll prove they're championship material and we'll prove that we're top half of the Big 12 material.

We still watch the games because we like football. It's fun to watch.

Your second point doesn't hold much water. Nearly our entire fanbase are alumni, family, or people who live in Iowa. That base isn't changing, there won't be less fans just because we're not in a Super League.
You 100% will have fewer fans if you’re in a second tier that has zero chance at a playoff. That’s just reality. It’s why people that go to second tier colleges that like sports tend to default and have a second team that actually competes in the top leagues.

Also a whole lot of people on here make noise about how they aren’t watching any other cfb due to this, I assume they are lying but it’s a very common saying around here and if ISU was playing in a lower tier that number would skyrocket
 
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You 100% will have fewer fans if you’re in a second tier that has zero chance at a playoff. That’s just reality. It’s why people that go to second tier colleges that like sports tend to default and have a second team that actually competes in the top leagues.

Also a whole lot of people on here make noise about how they aren’t watching any other cfb due to this, I assume they are lying but it’s a very common saying around here and if ISU was playing in a lower tier that number would skyrocket
So, for instance, if a SL was created - with 20 teams I noted previously - then Michigan State fans and Iowa State fans would develop a default team in the top league and watch those games. And then those games would maintain and likely improve their ratings.