Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[cyatheart]

I took it as a distance joke when I watched the interview.

Agree, it was stupid but in the whole context of the interview i don't think he meant it that bad. Dumb, but people aren't robots.

That said, those two should read the room a little bit. And also realize their athletic department is a joke right now. Stupid, and shows arrogance, but that's kind of who they are.

 

[theshadow]

I read it as a Big 12 only tournament probably in December either new or replacing the T-Day or X-Mas tournament. Yormark could sell the rights to view local promotions and ticket sales directly to the Big 12. Basically an early season Big12 tourney.

This concept has already been revealed to some extent.

For teams that are only meeting once during the regular season, have a second meeting as a non-conference game at a neutral site in December. So in 2024, while KU/UH is that "marquee" non-con game in Mexico, the other schools would get matched up for one-offs somewhere else in the conference footprint.

 

[cyclones500]

This concept has already been revealed to some extent.

For teams that are only meeting once during the regular season, have a second meeting as a non-conference game at a neutral site in December. So in 2024, while KU/UH is that "marquee" non-con game in Mexico, the other schools would get matched up for one-offs somewhere else in the conference footprint.

I've seen that presented previously, but I still ask, why not just add another conference game?

 

[isucy86]

Wow! Nice tweet, and how true.

Fool me once...

Maybe. But the TV contract expiration were/are totally different between the two scenarios.

With Pac12 (24) and Big12 (25) both conferences media rights deals were winding down, so pretty easy for schools to leave without being held to a GOR.

With ACC adding Stanford & Cal- they would have to accept ACC GOR. But that doesn't mean ESPN has to increase the ACC media deal. If ESPN did pay to add Stanford & Cal- that doesn't fix FSU, Clemson, Miami, etc revenue issues.

That Tweet doesn't even consider the logistics of just adding 2 schools 3 timezones away from the other 14 conference teams.

 

[theshadow]

I've seen that presented previously, but I still ask, why not just add another conference game?

The whole thing is going to have to go back to the drawing board, since it was first sketched out in a 12-team/18-game scenario.

With 16 teams, I imagine hoops will go to 20 league games.

 

[CT clone]

I completely think BY will definitely go the “in-season tourney” route and it makes perfect sense to drive the basketball $$ to that 10-14Mil stand alone amount projected by BY.
Think about group stage games on campuses - (4 groups of 4 apiece starting in 2025 alternating home and away each year) Games played Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday starting on the Saturday after Thanksgiving where you tie home Friday FB games with home BB tourney games). Then top 2 of each Group go to knockout round Championship tourney in Mexico over X-Mas Break and bottom 2 of each Group play in “Silver” knockout round Championship Tourney held in places like Orlando, Vegas, Phoenix. The Group Stage games also count as regular season games for Conference and the knockout games are only used for tiebreakers. Then in the normal conference season everyone plays each other 1x so you have 18 conference games for the regular standings. This guarantees in your group you play home and away against them and make the group permanent (ISU, KU, KSU, CU as 1 group; BYU, UU, UA, ASU as 1; OSU, TT, TCU, BU as 1; and WV, Cincy, UH and UCF). Money for the tourney would be better than the standard holiday tourneys and would grow B12 Mexico $$ as well.

Also, by having the “Silver” Championship at these locations it frees up the ability to keep the End of Season tourney at KC.

 

[HouClone]

Wilner giving near zero credit to the Big 12 for Pac schools going to the Big 12. Puts blame on Big 10. Says Colorado history with the Big 12 was the nudge essentially. Says Arizona was going to sign the Apple deal.

 

[clone37]

I completely think BY will definitely go the “in-season tourney” route and it makes perfect sense to drive the basketball $$ to that 10-14Mil stand alone amount projected by BY.
Think about group stage games on campuses - (4 groups of 4 apiece starting in 2025 alternating home and away each year) Games played Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday starting on the Saturday after Thanksgiving where you tie home Friday FB games with home BB tourney games). Then top 2 of each Group go to knockout round Championship tourney in Mexico over X-Mas Break and bottom 2 of each Group play in “Silver” knockout round Championship Tourney held in places like Orlando, Vegas, Phoenix. The Group Stage games also count as regular season games for Conference and the knockout games are only used for tiebreakers. Then in the normal conference season everyone plays each other 1x so you have 18 conference games for the regular standings. This guarantees in your group you play home and away against them and make the group permanent (ISU, KU, KSU, CU as 1 group; BYU, UU, UA, ASU as 1; OSU, TT, TCU, BU as 1; and WV, Cincy, UH and UCF). Money for the tourney would be better than the standard holiday tourneys and would grow B12 Mexico $$ as well.

Also, by having the “Silver” Championship at these locations it frees up the ability to keep the End of Season tourney at KC.

Imagine what the 16 team end of season tourney will be like. Probably 2 days of the first round? No way they could play 8 games in 1 day, unless they split across 2 arenas. I actually see this year's tourney with 14 teams is scheduled for 5 days, so with 16 it will definitely be 5 days. KC is going to be bigger and better than ever!

 

[alarson]

Imagine what the 16 team end of season tourney will be like. Probably 2 days of the first round? No way they could play 8 games in 1 day, unless they split across 2 arenas. I actually see this year's tourney with 14 teams is scheduled for 5 days, so with 16 it will definitely be 5 days. KC is going to be bigger and better than ever!

Probably a 5 day tournament as well. 9-16 seeds play the first day. Winners of those play the 5-8 seeds on day 2. Winners of that play the 1-4 seeds on day 3, and then onward on day 4-5 to the championship.

Pretty much has to be that way unless you split arenas, as you said.

 

[2speedy1]

Imagine what the 16 team end of season tourney will be like. Probably 2 days of the first round? No way they could play 8 games in 1 day, unless they split across 2 arenas. I actually see this year's tourney with 14 teams is scheduled for 5 days, so with 16 it will definitely be 5 days. KC is going to be bigger and better than ever!

The first round an option would be to play some of them in Municipal. I know they said they were not going to use it for womens anymore. But wonder if it would be possible for it to host a few 1st round games in each mens and womens. Would make it more feasible to host that many teams.

 

[wesley_w]

We used to have a preseason Big 8 tournament in KC between Chistmas and New Years. I think it went away in the mid 70's. Then they started having the postseason tournament but if I remember correctly the first round was on campus.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Well…

Sounds familiar. Seems like that is as clear sign that someone is leaving the conference as you'll get in college football.

 

[Daserop]

Wilner giving near zero credit to the Big 12 for Pac schools going to the Big 12. Puts blame on Big 10. Says Colorado history with the Big 12 was the nudge essentially. Says Arizona was going to sign the Apple deal.

If I've learned anything from this is latest round of realignment is to no pay attention to anything Wilner, Stew, and Clownzano put out.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Wilner giving near zero credit to the Big 12 for Pac schools going to the Big 12. Puts blame on Big 10. Says Colorado history with the Big 12 was the nudge essentially. Says Arizona was going to sign the Apple deal.

The only way Arizona was ever signing that Apple deal is if their BOR forced them to - especially after Arizona to the Big 12 was a done deal all except for BOR approval.

These guys are so full of **** - nobody was signing that Apple deal if they had better options - and 6 schools did.

 

[mj4cy]

Well…

Pretty sure Texas called a lot of shots or made decisions against everyone else...and of course then they leave. At least the Big12 didn't collapse.

 

[CascadeClone]

Agree, it was stupid but in the whole context of the interview i don't think he meant it that bad. Dumb, but people aren't robots.

That said, those two should read the room a little bit. And also realize their athletic department is a joke right now. Stupid, and shows arrogance, but that's kind of who they are.

ASU currently has the combo of Gordon P. Eaton and Bruce van de Velde. Negligence plus ignorance is not a winning formula.

It's no wonder it's a total ****show there. And will be until both are gone.

 

[mj4cy]

Maybe too early to tell, but based on all the realignment happenings up to date, has anyone changed any rooting preferences? Mine are as follows:

• Big 12 team over any Big10 or SEC team. We may not like some of our peers (Utah, Baylor ect), but every team in our conference has been told in some form or fashion "you're not good enough". Love the chip on our shoulder mentality.
• Anyone over Texas (of course besides Iowa). Screw UT, they are a cancer and the SEC will find that out sooner than later.
• Washington State and Oregon State to have killer seasons. I'll be keeping more of an eye on their last season in the Pac12 as we know it. Hope they can stick it to everyone.

 

[Die4Cy]

ASU currently has the combo of Gordon P. Eaton and Bruce van de Velde. Negligence plus ignorance is not a winning formula.

It's no wonder it's a total ****show there. And will be until both are gone.

Pollard at least understands where athletics should fit in the political hierarchy of a university. We are fortunate for that. Any school that puts it too far on either end of the spectrum is going to have its issues.

 

[BigJCy]

 

[StLouisClone]

Something close to $50 million is what it would have took to get Washington and Oregon to sign on.