Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

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I think by “enough” you mean the whole MWC. Anyone left out is absolutely going to sue claiming that some (or all) the schools that go to the PAC had a conflict of interest when they voted to dissolve. And they’ll win.

I appreciate the confidence that only a college sports message board can bring. Who needs expensive lawyers when you have this advice.
 

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Crow alleges and the OSU guy said all were in. I question how close the schools were to signing this Friday deal. 4 had no choice but to sign, Utah probably due to the Pac loyalty, and ASU as Crow 100% Pac. Arizona, Washington, Oregon - no.
Here is the reason Canzano was always extremely negative Big 12 and Pro Pac 12 despite him saying everything against all reputable outlets. Have fun reporting for the Mountain West!

If you read what this guy posted about his impressions of what went down Friday morning, there was no plan to sign the GOR by Wash/Oreg. Just a ploy to get the best deal possible. P12 was dead as we know it Thursday night.
 

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Crow alleges and the OSU guy said all were in. I question how close the schools were to signing this Friday deal. 4 had no choice but to sign, Utah probably due to the Pac loyalty, and ASU as Crow 100% Pac. Arizona, Washington, Oregon - no.

The OSU guy is pretty invested in saying that.
 

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If you read what this guy posted about his impressions of what went down Friday morning, there was no plan to sign the GOR by Wash/Oreg. Just a ploy to get the best deal possible. P12 was dead as we know it Thursday night.
Yeah it was pretty telling when the WA Pres said they expected to see several competing offers and only got one low ball offer. Even at the bargain price they’re moving with, the certainty and visibility are huge assets to them and OR.
 
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This seems to be a weird opinion on realignment from the Mizzou football coach. It's okay that Missouri left the Big12 for the SEC but not okay when other schools do the same thing.

Mizzou football coach blasts conference realignment after Big Ten, Big 12 raid Pac-12 Read more at: https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/sec/university-of-missouri/article277993218.html#storylink=cpy
I mean… the SEC lit the fuse on this latest round 2 years ago. And did so in a quasi illegal manner with co conspirator ESPN.

**** that guy. Go cash your check and be a glorified buy game.
 
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Crow alleges and the OSU guy said all were in. I question how close the schools were to signing this Friday deal. 4 had no choice but to sign, Utah probably due to the Pac loyalty, and ASU as Crow 100% Pac. Arizona, Washington, Oregon - no.

Who know who is telling the truth. Can't remember if it was Washington AD or President, but they said they were presented a deal which allowed them to opt out after 2 years. Then that promise disappeared.
 

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How much do you think the ACC schools would have to pay to get out? I walked through the numbers and I think they’d have to put up close to $500M each. Buyout fee, media rights from ESPN & ACC Network, damages to other institutions, etc etc.

How much additional income do you think those schools might make in the B10 or SEC over 11 years (assuming 2025-26 through 2035-36 as it’s getting to do this for 2024)? I coming up with somewhere in the neighborhood of $500M.

Walk me through your numbers.

Like I said around $300M. That is based on $100M in exit fee and $200M in media $ from the ACC deal with ESPN through 2036. When Maryland left the ACC their exit fee was a little over $50M and they negotiated it down to something like $32M.

I would be surprised if there are additional damages as the exit fee and GOR are the contract language used to collect damages.

I am no expert on the GOR language. My understanding is the GOR only applies to a school's home athletic contests. So is Championships money excluded? The ACC deal with Disney/ESPN is somewhere around $20M annually per school. The other half of an ACC schools media $ comes from Championships. FSU would leave their historical units for participating in the NCAA Hoops Tournament behind. But if FSU moved to the Big10- it would seem the Big10 would get CFP money based on FSU being a Big10 member.

Language from Athletic Article

What’s a grant of rights? In the world of college sports, it’s an agreement in which schools agree to transfer their media rights to their conference for a set period of time. For example, Baylor’s agreement to be part of the Big 12’s grant of rights means that the rights fee for any televised sporting event emanating from Baylor’s campus is owned by the Big 12 until the grant expires. Replace “Baylor” and “Big 12” with “North Carolina” and “ACC” or “Oregon State” and “Pac-12.”

I would agree the incremental money for being in Big10/SEC will be around $40M annually, or over $500M through 2036.
 
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He says realignment does not make sense anymore. So it did when Texas killed the SWC, and OuT almost killed the Big 12? And Nick Saban crying crocodile tears for “the student athletes”. I’ll bet Alabama was the first one to go after OuT. Nick started this mess and now he is “upset”. Give me a break.
 

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I am sure he is furious, and i feel for him.

But "realignment doesnt make sense anymore"? Boo freaking hoo. Bite me.

What you mean is "it doesnt make sense when its me and mine getting hurt". Tough crap. Nobody shed one tear when the Big12 was getting raided time and again. Zero empathy for that statement.
Anybody know what side this AD was on back when the PAC was trying to poach Texas and OU from the B12? Was he a “no” because realignment didn’t make sense? Was he against the PAC accepting B12 teams looking for a lifeline a couple of years ago, or did that realignment make sense then?
 

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In essence...so what? The media partners knew what value all the schools in this saga have, and gave the Big 12 a media deal that will keep them competitive among the power conference schools. So yes, "we won". The Big 12 is alive to fight another day.
Now run the numbers for “value” if they don’t play any non conference games, no bowl games, no CFP games … what do those numbers tell you, Kyle.
 

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“We won” in the sense that Texas wanted the Big 12 gone so it didn’t have to come up with the millions they had to with the buyout (which is conveniently left out of Texas’s so-called value“).. “We won” in the sense that we survived Texas’ nonsense and came out with a media deal which is actually bigger than the one we had with OuT. ”We won” because Texas’ plan to conquer and destroy lost and we are more unified now than ever before. “We won” because we used the money they gave us, got rid of them and still they had to cough up more. “We won” because we are not in the AAC which they wanted, but in a power 5 (now 4) conference with the best basketball and the most competitive football league.
 

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He says realignment does not make sense anymore. So it did when Texas killed the SWC, and OuT almost killed the Big 12? And Nick Saban crying crocodile tears for “the student athletes”. I’ll bet Alabama was the first one to go after OuT. Nick started this mess and now he is “upset”. Give me a break.
These people who are shocked when their colleagues are lying to them apparently haven’t been paying attention the last 15 years because lying is the norm to protect your own interests up until the moment you change conferences
 

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He says realignment does not make sense anymore. So it did when Texas killed the SWC, and OuT almost killed the Big 12? And Nick Saban crying crocodile tears for “the student athletes”. I’ll bet Alabama was the first one to go after OuT. Nick started this mess and now he is “upset”. Give me a break.
His point is that conferences are no longer regional, which in his opinion will be harmful to fans and athletes. The point is valid. Older fans will remember the old Big 8 days where one could easily make a road trip to every school in the conference. Even the original big 12 schools were still regionally together for the most part. But now you’ve got conferences with teams in 3 or 4 time zones.

I’m not saying that’s right or wrong. But these realignments have eliminated playing in a small region, which really helped bolster rivalries between fans/schools.
 

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I mean… the SEC lit the fuse on this latest round 2 years ago. And did so in a quasi illegal manner with co conspirator ESPN.

**** that guy. Go cash your check and be a glorified buy game.
This seems to be a weird opinion on realignment from the Mizzou football coach. It's okay that Missouri left the Big12 for the SEC but not okay when other schools do the same thing.

Mizzou football coach blasts conference realignment after Big Ten, Big 12 raid Pac-12 Read more at: https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/sec/university-of-missouri/article277993218.html#storylink=cpy
Wait til B1G/SEC band together for one super league and the rest fight for scraps….Mizzou will be fighting for scraps. F*** Norm Stewart. Sit down norm! Sit down norm!