Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[Flag Guy]

 

[12191987]

Pretty much this. Been a crazy couple of years. Next year is gonna look really weird..... but not as bad as it could have

Honestly, I think this league could be much better than the Big 12 has ever been from a Cyclone fan perspective.

I can’t ******* wait for next season.

 

[NWICY]

I am an ASU alumni. To be honest we have no rich traditions other than slaying the party scene. Nobody goes to the basketball games. When we pay Arizona half the crowd is Wildcat fans. Football is semi ok on attendance. Baseball u to be solid but for some reason that has not been as dominant. I’m glad my old school is in the big 12 but they are a nothing sports university

Just curious how did you end up on CF?

 

[HFCS]

Honestly, I think this league could be much better than the Big 12 has ever been from a Cyclone fan perspective.

I can’t ******* wait for next season.

Even tougher in basketball which we happen to be ready for at this moment...although I'm hoping maybe among UCF/ASU/CU/Utah/BYU we've added at least a few who might provide some breathers from the 8-9 deep out of 10 gauntlet we've had.

In football a little less difficult but still solid with lots of upside...and let's be honest that we could've used an easier fb schedule many many years. The schedule will inevitably provide some easier years than others as opposed to getting all the top teams every single year or if we make another CCG maybe it won't have to be a rematch of a team we already played/beat.

 

[NWICY]

I think it only makes sense to move the CCG game around a little...and because there aren't great neutral football field options in the northern B12 cities especially late in the year it makes sense to still have B12 Tourney in KC at least most of the time.

I was just telling my Arizona alum friend today that there's no reason to ever try Texas or Oklahoma again for basketball tournament because it was a huge failure compared to KC. We could try it somewhere else but when it sucks compared to KC, again move it back to KC.

He was saying they absolutely loved having Pac events in neutral Las Vegas but hoops would be 80% AZ fans. I don't mind that because it's not a Big Ten/ACC/SEC region either. I think Vegas would be better than Phoenix or Denver for basketball...but those cities could be good for CCG sometime.

It won't be the worst thing in the world to be a little less Texas-centric, although the CCG should still be there at least sometimes.

I would do Denver before Vegas for the conference tourney

 

[theshadow]

Even with all of the moves, the geographic center of the Big 12 is still in Oklahoma.

2022 (10 teams): Tulsa/Broken Arrow, OK
2023 (14 teams): east of Muskogee, OK
2024, v1 (12 teams, no OU/UT): Springdale/Rogers, AR
2024, v2 (16 teams): northwest of Enid, OK

 

[Sigmapolis]

Now that the Great Pac-12 Raid of 2023 seems to be over...

What happens to the four leftovers?

Does the Pac backfill from the MWC and American and do its best to struggle along?

 

[HFCS]

Now that the Great Pac-12 Raid of 2023 seems to be over...

What happens to the four leftovers?

Does the Pac backfill from the MWC and American and do its best to struggle along?

At least Cal put out a statement they are exploring options. Stanford has had a crazy silence of any info and not even really a lot of rumors.

The minute USC/UCLA broke, Cal/Stanford was the biggest question to me and it's just as much of a question now.

I assume WSU/Ore St are with the MWC whether it's called that or the Pac. It'll be painful but in a lot of ways they are very similar to some of those schools and the geography is actually slightly better for them than Pac was.

 

[2speedy1]

Now that the Great Pac-12 Raid of 2023 seems to be over...

What happens to the four leftovers?

Does the Pac backfill from the MWC and American and do its best to struggle along?

I dont see how they can.
PAC would have to have teams for next year.
Now that they waited so long the exit fees for the MWC is 34M, to play next year.
PAC has no deal, especially for only 4 remaining schools, so no money to offer.

With no media deal, starting next year, and only 4 teams starting next year. They are in a real bad spot. GK really did them dirty. He thought by waiting he could force teams to stay. Instead it left he without any options to continue.

I think at best the last 4 can do is hope to get into the MWC, maybe Stanford goes Indy, but it looks pretty dire for them. Cals loan payments are going to be more than they get.

 

[David Freshman1982]

Now that the Great Pac-12 Raid of 2023 seems to be over...

What happens to the four leftovers?

Does the Pac backfill from the MWC and American and do its best to struggle along?

Nah. OSU and WSU to MWC. Stanford will go independent a-la Notre Dame. Cal will probably accept their relegation with barely a whimper, assuming any of their students, alumni or stakeholders even notice.

 

[HawaiiClone]

I have been thinking this as well. If they stick with the "Top 6 ranked Conference Champs" thing after 2026 (unlikely, but they could), that just means more G5 schools in the playoffs, and I am all for that.

I still say it needs to be all the conference champs, plus 2 (PAC still around) or 3 (PAC dissolves) at large bids/Wild Cards.

A compromise could be to keep the 6 conf champ auto bids, but seed all teams solely based on their rankings so (for example) if the 4th, 5th and 6th best conference champions are all ranked 10th or lower in the final CFP poll, they are seeded 10th, 11th and 12th in the CFP. This gives the SEC and B1G at large bids a better chance to advance further in the playoffs.

 

[Cloneon]

I'm a strategist by nature. Something is just not right. ALL this moving around and only 4 teams have been demoted! Not for one second are we not being played ... somehow. Oddly, I believe the SEC and B12 are the two with 'sound' stabilization strategies (SEC = regionalization, B12 = basketball brand). But what still doesn't make sense are the numbers (content=conference, agent=media people, money=you via advertising). While for a long time, I believed the entertainment dollar was best spent on athletics because of the high cost of other types entertainment, I do feel that now it's gone too far. The belt will tighten severely next time around. Have we (B1G and B12 especially) diluted ourselves to the point of attrition next time around? Until the numbers make sense, my mind will be wondering why.

 

[Cloneon]

If you look at the map, KC is still pretty central. Would Vegas be interested in a bidding war? If the UConn/Gonzaga thing is true, our tournament would be almost as good as the NCAA itself.

I just have to chime in. My good friend runs affairs for the Vegas stadium. He and I have been chatting on what's going to happen now. I'll keep you posted (san privileged information) of what's transpiring.

 

[Cloneon]

Not gonna lie: The four adds coming in this year to replace OU/UT seemed kinda sad to me at the time.

However, it also seems that without them ISU could have ended up on the outside looking in with the PAC-12 poaching a few schools…so, **** yeah! What a week.

Most of me says TX and OU diluted their brand by going to the SEC while pretty much everyone added to the B12 improved their brands.

 

[Drew0311]

Just curious how did you end up on CF?

I grew up a huge Cyclone fan and live in central Iowa again.

 

[RagingCloner]

While I feel bad for Oregon St, and I understand they're lashing out right now, they were NEVER near a deal that everyone wanted. This is called a "pipe dream".

My old man is very good friends with Scott. We’ve hung out with his family many times. This sucks, and I feel for him, but happy to see the B12 on the winning end of this

 

[engineer_doug]

That aged like a fine milk

 

[iahawks]

That aged like a fine milk

New World Media Order

NWMO 4 Life!

 

[CyDude16]

Ya everyone can give MHver3 crap 3 years ago, but I have followed every tweet the last 6 months and he has absolutely been on point. His sources are solid.

Blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile. Throw enough **** out there, bound to get something right. Also he doesn’t have “sources”

 

[JM4CY]

Blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile. Throw enough **** out there, bound to get something right. Also he doesn’t have “sources”

This round of realignment has also been hashed out way more publicly. He’s not a freakin journalist.