Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

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I've been checking out the Colorado message board. It's difficult to stomach because (like most of the other PAC teams) they think so highly of themselves. However, I ran across one post that I thought was pretty perceptive:

"I think the Big 12 is the one conference that's excepted its faith. They are a middle class conference but they want to be the best middle class conference in the world. The PAC still thinks it's an upper class conference. ESPN said, you are middle class and less valuable to us than the Big XII especially if we can take some of your brands and turn this conference into what the American wanted to be. The top middle class conference in the world but it's impossible to be middle class when you are lower middle class in everything. You got a lot of bus drivers and cafeteria workers in conferences like the Sun Belt, Mt West, and CUSA. But your bus drivers get paid more because you are in bigger cities.

Now with the Big XII realizing what they are. They created a market for themselves. They know they are no longer upper class but they are middle class. The ACC and Pac-12 refuse to realize they are middle class now too and it's gonna drive the PAC to being a fake middle class conference.

For 2024-25, the B1G and SEC is upper class.

ACC, Big XII, and PAC are middle class

The G5s are always lower middle class and lower class with no chance of being middle class as they lack the "athletic education"

The ACC has not accepted its faith but are stuck. The Big XII has and they are doing exactly what the American conference wanted to do. Be a conference that's coast to coast. The best middle class sports available but they only had G5 money and you can't be middle class or upper middle class with G5 money. No one wants to travel if they don't have to. It helps that ESPN is doing the bidding for the Big XII and that's honestly what's killed the PAC.

The PAC won't be dead but it's gonna be the Mountain West with great inheritance. Sadly, they didn't read the room. The Big XII is reading the room and they don't have any competition. The G5s are easy pickings, everyone wants out.

I think we are going to see the Big XII be the first upper middle class conference when its all said and done.

The landscape has changed and they were the ones to adjust. I still think the ACC can be upper middle class but how long can that last with so much uncertainty.

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So, who is going to pay them. In the current deal there is no Pro Rata for BB only schools. So that means if the media partners do not want to pay more for BB only, then the other schools have to reduce their share to pay them, until a new contract is negotiated and started. That is quite a few years of reduced shares if they join in the next year or 2.

Are you willing for ISU to take a significant pay cut, to add these BB only schools for the next half dozen years? To fall further behind and get pushed below the other conferences below us, in the per team compensation. Just to be forward thinking.

Or is it better to add them 5 years or so down the road when we are starting negotiations on a new deal, where we can split the BB money off?

Sure if the media partners are willing to give more in the mean time. Great. But what makes you think they will. They didnt give us more to add the last 4 before the new contract. Which reduced our share. Everyone says ESPN has no reason to give the ACC more. So what has signaled that the media partners will pay more to add BB only schools, in our current and new contract that are already agreed upon?

Nothing is black and white and everything is negotiable. Not everything has to happen in a one or two year window either. I love the basketball move, its forward thinking and in the long run it will be very lucrative for the Big 12.
 
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I think UConn is beneficial for both sides and I think there's far less risk there than there is with Gonzaga (and I say that as someone who thinks Gonzaga would do well in the Big 12).

1) It gets the league into the Northeast and UConn has lots of wealthy alums in all of the big east coast cities.

2) Anything that even slightly destabilizes the Big East in FOX's eyes may open up more money or linear TV time for the Big 12 or both.

3) It solves UConn's football problem while keeping them in a big time basketball league.

It also sets the table for teams like Xavier and Creighton to make the move as well.
 
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I’m very curious what the plan is here if the next news is “Colorado and UConn are accepting Big 12 invites.”

That puts us at 14 schools and puts the Pac down to 9. It also puts the BEast at 10, none with footbal.

The Pac would be shaky for sure, but not really that much shakier than it already is. Still, I think we could pluck two more. Is the idea we’d get two of Utah, Arizona, ASU and leave the third to rot in the Mtn West? Are we sure UConn is worth more than each of those three?

There is still a possibility in this scenario that the BEast just sticks together at 10, the Pac adds San Diego State, SMU, and maybe UNLV or Colorado State or whatever and does unequal revenue sharing, at least until someone grabs Oregon or Washington. So if the grand plan is to do this to crack them wide open, it might not work.

I’d much prefer just getting Colorado if the idea is leveraging the Pac. Then we keep pressing to get either 1 or 3 more from there.

14 isn't the magic number. The B1G and SEC will continue to add teams until it no longer makes sense. Eventually the B1G, SEC, and Big 12 will probably all be around 20 teams.
 

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Thats insane and they will never do it.

But i kinda would love to see it, would be just pure madness.
It would solve a lot of the concerns about scheduling. Rivalries would remain as teams would likely prioritize those in selections and it would prevent long gaps in playing certain teams if schools wanted to prevent them.
 

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Adding UConn + CU, AU, and ASU would make pods much simpler for a 16 team B12 than Utah. With Utah one of ISU or Houston would have had to be in a pod with WVU, Cincy, and UCF.

With UConn:
West: AU, ASU, CU, BYU
North: ISU, KU, KSU, OSU
South: TTU, Baylor, TCU, Houston
East: UConn, WVU, Cincy, UCF

Pods won't be a thing. The B1G and SEC are eliminating divisions and I would bet good money the Big 12 will follow suit.
 

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I would rather have 4 corners, or Oregon and Washington with HUGE penalties for leaving, or see what happens with ACC wreckage in a decade.

Those teams will all still be in play. Colorado potentially leaving really turns the screws on Utah, Arizona, and ASU. Especially knowing damn well that Oregon and UW have a wandering eye.
 

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Those teams will all still be in play. Colorado potentially leaving really turns the screws on Utah, Arizona, and ASU. Especially knowing damn well that Oregon and UW have a wandering eye.
Yes, I think Colorado is the first domino. I know we've all gotten our hopes up for a while now, I just feel like there's too much smoke now.
A lot of ISU alums in Denver area would love it.
 

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Pods won't be a thing. The B1G and SEC are eliminating divisions and I would bet good money the Big 12 will follow suit.
Totally agree, but "protected rivalries" are the same thing without the "pod champ" result. So you can be flexible when you pick whoever you want for your CCG.
 
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I've been checking out the Colorado message board. It's difficult to stomach because (like most of the other PAC teams) they think so highly of themselves. However, I ran across one post that I thought was pretty perceptive:

"I think the Big 12 is the one conference that's excepted its faith. They are a middle class conference but they want to be the best middle class conference in the world. The PAC still thinks it's an upper class conference. ESPN said, you are middle class and less valuable to us than the Big XII especially if we can take some of your brands and turn this conference into what the American wanted to be. The top middle class conference in the world but it's impossible to be middle class when you are lower middle class in everything. You got a lot of bus drivers and cafeteria workers in conferences like the Sun Belt, Mt West, and CUSA. But your bus drivers get paid more because you are in bigger cities.

Now with the Big XII realizing what they are. They created a market for themselves. They know they are no longer upper class but they are middle class. The ACC and Pac-12 refuse to realize they are middle class now too and it's gonna drive the PAC to being a fake middle class conference.

For 2024-25, the B1G and SEC is upper class.

ACC, Big XII, and PAC are middle class

The G5s are always lower middle class and lower class with no chance of being middle class as they lack the "athletic education"

The ACC has not accepted its faith but are stuck. The Big XII has and they are doing exactly what the American conference wanted to do. Be a conference that's coast to coast. The best middle class sports available but they only had G5 money and you can't be middle class or upper middle class with G5 money. No one wants to travel if they don't have to. It helps that ESPN is doing the bidding for the Big XII and that's honestly what's killed the PAC.

The PAC won't be dead but it's gonna be the Mountain West with great inheritance. Sadly, they didn't read the room. The Big XII is reading the room and they don't have any competition. The G5s are easy pickings, everyone wants out.

I think we are going to see the Big XII be the first upper middle class conference when its all said and done.

The landscape has changed and they were the ones to adjust. I still think the ACC can be upper middle class but how long can that last with so much uncertainty.

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While I agree with the content and sentiment, I find it ironic that, that borderline unreadable post came from a conference of such academic prestige
 

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I've been checking out the Colorado message board. It's difficult to stomach because (like most of the other PAC teams) they think so highly of themselves. However, I ran across one post that I thought was pretty perceptive:

"I think the Big 12 is the one conference that's excepted its faith. They are a middle class conference but they want to be the best middle class conference in the world. The PAC still thinks it's an upper class conference. ESPN said, you are middle class and less valuable to us than the Big XII especially if we can take some of your brands and turn this conference into what the American wanted to be. The top middle class conference in the world but it's impossible to be middle class when you are lower middle class in everything. You got a lot of bus drivers and cafeteria workers in conferences like the Sun Belt, Mt West, and CUSA. But your bus drivers get paid more because you are in bigger cities.

Now with the Big XII realizing what they are. They created a market for themselves. They know they are no longer upper class but they are middle class. The ACC and Pac-12 refuse to realize they are middle class now too and it's gonna drive the PAC to being a fake middle class conference.

For 2024-25, the B1G and SEC is upper class.

ACC, Big XII, and PAC are middle class

The G5s are always lower middle class and lower class with no chance of being middle class as they lack the "athletic education"

The ACC has not accepted its faith but are stuck. The Big XII has and they are doing exactly what the American conference wanted to do. Be a conference that's coast to coast. The best middle class sports available but they only had G5 money and you can't be middle class or upper middle class with G5 money. No one wants to travel if they don't have to. It helps that ESPN is doing the bidding for the Big XII and that's honestly what's killed the PAC.

The PAC won't be dead but it's gonna be the Mountain West with great inheritance. Sadly, they didn't read the room. The Big XII is reading the room and they don't have any competition. The G5s are easy pickings, everyone wants out.

I think we are going to see the Big XII be the first upper middle class conference when its all said and done.

The landscape has changed and they were the ones to adjust. I still think the ACC can be upper middle class but how long can that last with so much uncertainty.

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"Excepted its faith"
Are we sure Colorado is a top tier educational institution?
 

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"Excepted its faith"
Are we sure Colorado is a top tier educational institution?
Isn’t that conference speak for ”accepted his fate”. Which of course this author is probably one of those 15 craft beer posters.
 

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Really terrific stuff from someone I’m not too familiar with (but seems somewhat legit).

Says the desire to add basketball brands isn’t just about money, but also security. If the B1G and SEC break away from the NCAA, they would need Kansas/Gonzaga/Uconn basketball in order to maintain credibility as an association, so the Big 12 would have to be included.

The host lays out his reading of the tea leaves, and thinks the additions we could see are Colorado, Gonzaga, UConn, and Arizona.

42:00 mark:

 

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He may fail but if he succeeds, I think he stays.

Florida State would be big job he'd want but Norvell seems to have it turned there.
FSU really played hard and well at the tail end last year and Norvell seemed emotionally happy (if that makes sense). Like the weight of the job is being lifted off of him a little.