Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[HFCS]

Q: What did Californians use for light before candles?
A: Electricity.

It was actually pretty miraculous so far that LA hasn't had blackouts on a 10 day 100 degree heat wave. I mean you can compare it to states where people freeze to death or poison their water.

I can only speak directly to LA but I've read entire state has avoided. My dogs are gonna go nuts when it's cooler, cloudy and maybe even rainy on Saturday.

Those UCLA home game Rose Bowl pics aren't that different than when Pasadena is the normal sunny and 70 though.

 

[tzjung]

"Arizona is pacific time zone March-November."
I live in AZ and is never "Pacific" time. It is always Mountain Standard Time.
Who needs a lesson in time zones?

I can't believe I have to spell this out to you...I thought only Hawks were this dense. SURPRISE!! MST = PDT... They are the same EXACT time. The rest of the mountain TZ will NOT align with AZ until they 'fall back' from MDT to MST.

Arizona's clock time today matches the rest of the Pacific TZ right now in PDT. In November, the clock time in AZ will not change and then it will match the rest of the Mountain TZ which will be back in MST.

If you look at the rest of the country, thier clock times for each TZ is always 1 hr apart going East to West, and they remain that way because they all 'Spring ahead' and 'Fall back' together. This means that relative to the actual clock time in the rest of the US, AZ changes which TZ it aligns with.

 

[CascadeClone]

I can't believe I have to spell this out to you...I thought only Hawks were this dense. SURPRISE!! MST = PDT... They are the same EXACT time. The rest of the mountain TZ will NOT align with AZ until they 'fall back' from MDT to MST.

Arizona's clock time today matches the rest of the Pacific TZ right now in PDT. In November, the clock time in AZ will not change and then it will match the rest of the Mountain TZ which will be back in MST.

If you look at the rest of the country, thier clock times for each TZ is always 1 hr apart going East to West, and they remain that way because they all 'Spring ahead' and 'Fall back' together. This means that relative to the actual clock time in the rest of the US, AZ changes which TZ it aligns with.

I get it now.

The Big12 will have FIVE time zones! Suck it SEC!

 

[IceCyIce]

I can't believe I have to spell this out to you...I thought only Hawks were this dense. SURPRISE!! MST = PDT... They are the same EXACT time. The rest of the mountain TZ will NOT align with AZ until they 'fall back' from MDT to MST.

Arizona's clock time today matches the rest of the Pacific TZ right now in PDT. In November, the clock time in AZ will not change and then it will match the rest of the Mountain TZ which will be back in MST.

If you look at the rest of the country, thier clock times for each TZ is always 1 hr apart going East to West, and they remain that way because they all 'Spring ahead' and 'Fall back' together. This means that relative to the actual clock time in the rest of the US, AZ changes which TZ it aligns with.

OMG all this AZ TZ BS including MST - PDT is giving me PTSD

 

[LLCoolCY]

(Nodding)

 

[qwerty]

Pasadena is going to have more vacation big ten fans for every home game than UCLA fans. Their own fans might outnumber a few like Rutgers, Maryland or Purdue but not most. At least for a few years.

Why would B1G fans vacation to LA beaches when they can just go to THE Coralville Reservoir . . . . .

 

[BryceC]

I keep pointing out the real “checkmate” move in all of this was actually when they got Penn State to join up. Nebraska was a bad add but it didn’t matter. Rutgers/Maryland helped BTN at the time but are probably dead weight now and it doesn’t matter. USC is the first real homerun since PSU.

The first domino for SEC was a small one in Arkansas splitting up SWC but A&M/Texas combo is probably what that PSU add was for big ten. It’s checkmate.

I would argue that their adds since PSU, while helping the bottom line, have hurt the actual quality of the conference and that includes USC and UCLA.

They've added teams with no geographic ties, and no fans outside of NU who has basically been a disaster since firing Pelini. And I'm sorry this includes USC. USC is going to play one game their fans care about a year against UCLA for the foreseeable future. That isn't going to help their fan support I'm sorry. Rutgers, Maryland, UCLA, NU, are all drags on the quality of the football conference. The SEC might not keep pace quality wise, but other than Mizzou they have added teams that absolutely matter that have huge, passionate fanbases.

 

[aeroclone]

I would argue that their adds since PSU, while helping the bottom line, have hurt the actual quality of the conference and that includes USC and UCLA.

They've added teams with no geographic ties, and no fans outside of NU who has basically been a disaster since firing Pelini. And I'm sorry this includes USC. USC is going to play one game their fans care about a year against UCLA for the foreseeable future. That isn't going to help their fan support I'm sorry. Rutgers, Maryland, UCLA, NU, are all drags on the quality of the football conference. The SEC might not keep pace quality wise, but other than Mizzou they have added teams that absolutely matter that have huge, passionate fanbases.

Agreed with all of this. I think the quality of the SEC additions are going to allow them to eventually pass up the B1G financially as well. Obviously they are already far beyond the B1G as far as the quality of the product on the field.

 

[simply1]

Pac-12 survival: Our vision for the future of the conference, and college football

If the Big Ten stands down, the Power Five structure should hold until the end of the decade, when the next rupture point arrives.

www.mercurynews.com

I’m able to read this using reader view in my Twitter app FYI.

 

[WhoISthis]

Pac-12 survival: Our vision for the future of the conference, and college football

If the Big Ten stands down, the Power Five structure should hold until the end of the decade, when the next rupture point arrives.

www.mercurynews.com

I’m able to read this using reader view in my Twitter app FYI.

He’s correct on one thing- the PAC has little say in their future.

If the networks don’t want it around, it is gone. Imo that’s what’s happening, as networks can make more off PAC schools if they’re liquidated to other conferences. That’s likely to be decided concurrently on networks side, but if it helps these PAC surrogates to think they were honor killed by BIG, so be it

 

[exCyDing]

Agreed with all of this. I think the quality of the SEC additions are going to allow them to eventually pass up the B1G financially as well. Obviously they are already far beyond the B1G as far as the quality of the product on the field.

The SEC will pass the B10 probably in the next 5-10 years. A big part of that is the SEC really has 1 school that doesn't have a large, passionate fanbase: Vandy. The B10 has five that are about on that level (at least for football, the only thing that matters): IL, IN, Northwestern, MD and Rutgers. These five will drag down the rest of the conference.

 

[isucy86]

PSU to the Big 10 is still probably the most important single conference add by anyone in the past 50 years.

The USC/UCLA adds by the Big10 might top that because it makes the BIG10 the first coast-to-coast conference.

PSU was big because it expanded the Big10 beyond Midwest. Opened the door for the Maryland & Rutger adds

I don't recall much of PSU to Big10. Would be curious if ACC considered PSU at the time. I believe FSU went to ACC around then.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I would argue that their adds since PSU, while helping the bottom line, have hurt the actual quality of the conference and that includes USC and UCLA.

They've added teams with no geographic ties, and no fans outside of NU who has basically been a disaster since firing Pelini. And I'm sorry this includes USC. USC is going to play one game their fans care about a year against UCLA for the foreseeable future. That isn't going to help their fan support I'm sorry. Rutgers, Maryland, UCLA, NU, are all drags on the quality of the football conference. The SEC might not keep pace quality wise, but other than Mizzou they have added teams that absolutely matter that have huge, passionate fanbases.

USC will get continued fan support if they keep winning. Honestly don’t care about UCLA but USC I expect to be a major player in the next couple years.

 

[MountainManHawk]

The USC/UCLA adds by the Big10 might top that because it makes the BIG10 the first coast-to-coast conference.

PSU was big because it expanded the Big10 beyond Midwest. Opened the door for the Maryland & Rutger adds

I don't recall much of PSU to Big10. Would be curious if ACC considered PSU at the time. I believe FSU went to ACC around then.

If you have an Athletic subscription, they have done lots of articles on this recently that goes into a lot of detail. The interesting thing is there were some concerns that Penn State wasn’t that happy in the BigTen and would maybe at some point leave to join the ACC. There have been several quotes from Delaney and others that a significant part of the rationale for adding Rutgers and Maryland was so that Penn State was no longer out an island and would no longer think of leaving. It’s weird to think about it knowing what we know now, but it wasn’t that long ago that all of the P5 conferences were close to equal in revenue. And then the TV money exploded and the conferences with good ratings became exponentially stronger. But that’s really been a recent change.

Here is one of the articles. There are several more related articles linked at the end.

“Usually, you expand to bring in a premier program athletically,” said Silverman, who ran BTN from its launch in 2007 through 2018. “Nebraska was more of a brand play than a population cable-homes play.
“Rutgers and Maryland, I think the three or four objectives there were to spread the Big Ten into a new area that would help with recruiting and help with being a dominant college conference in a very populous part of the country. It was to get BTN subscribers, and it was to shore up the Eastern flank because it had followed the ACC adding Pitt and Syracuse. There was a little concern of Penn State being out there on its own and giving Penn State some home partners in its general area.”

Big Ten Network has seen college football continue 'to evolve'

Since the Big Ten Network's launch, the conference has added Nebraska, Rutgers and Maryland and will add USC and UCLA in the future.

theathletic.com

 

[Gonzo]

USC will get continued fan support if they keep winning. Honestly don’t care about UCLA but USC I expect to be a major player in the next couple years.

USC is as blue-bloody as any of the blue-bloods when they're winning.

 

[AlaCyclone]

PSU to the Big 10 is still probably the most important single conference add by anyone in the past 50 years.

Florida State to the ACC was a MAJOR grab too. It catapulted the ACC from sending their Conference Champion to the Citrus Bowl to an automatic qualifier in the early Bowl Coalition.

 

[AlaCyclone]

That's not true. After living in LA for almost a year I saw someone wearing a UCLA shirt for the first time yesterday. There were dozens of people at their game last week, too many to have just gotten lost and randomly wound up at the Rose Bowl. At least a few had to have been there intentionally.

I can beat that! I've seen not one but two Cal Bear fans in Des Moines in the past two days. I gave them both a good "Go Bears!" One of them gave me a hearty "Go Bears!" right back at me, but the other just kind of grunted. So, using this empirical evidence, adding Cal to the Iowa State Big Xii footprint would be better than adding UCLA to the Iowa B1G footprint! Amiright?

 

[isucy86]

Florida State to the ACC was a MAJOR grab too. It catapulted the ACC from sending their Conference Champion to the Citrus Bowl to an automatic qualifier in the early Bowl Coalition.

I was just reading about FSU's jump to ACC and read an article from 1990? analyzing the FSU addition. It characterized FSU as historically a "basketball school". Bobby sure did change that.

 

[AuH2O]

USC is as blue-bloody as any of the blue-bloods when they're winning.

They are fine. But in 2019 they went 7-2 in the PAC and were behind ISU in attendance at about 58k. The last year before the Rams came back they went 8-5 and drew 69k.

It’s a Rams town again. They will be good with Riley, but the idea they will come close to the Carroll days in terms of excitement is wishful thinking. At the time those were considered one of the best college teams in decades, and there were no NFL teams in town.

Now they’ve got two NFL teams to compete with. The fact that they’ll draw if they win makes them like a bunch of other teams.

 

[Gonzo]

They are fine. But in 2019 they went 7-2 in the PAC and were behind ISU in attendance at about 58k. The last year before the Rams came back they went 8-5 and drew 69k.

It’s a Rams town again. They will be good with Riley, but the idea they will come close to the Carroll days in terms of excitement is wishful thinking. At the time those were considered one of the best college teams in decades, and there were no NFL teams in town.

Now they’ve got two NFL teams to compete with. The fact that they’ll draw if they win makes them like a bunch of other teams.

Yeah I get that but I'm more talking national media and national perception vs. in-stadium attendance numbers. SC is one of the most historically rich programs in the country. If they're a top-5 program, they're going to be in the national spotlight and a focal point of conversation by national media, especially if they have annual matchups against ND, Michigan, tOSU, PSU, etc. I'd think that matters more than if they have 12k fewer fans in the stadium.