Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[Cloneman89]

Let’s be brutally honest - there only 3teams we need - OU/UW and either AZ/ASU . With BYU we don’t need UU. CU brings nothing . OSU/WSU are non starters. Cal/Stanley are elitist and will not be a fit with Baylor/TCU or BYU. Fine if we take OU/UW and AZ/ASU as B1G has snubbed the NW schools. They need to wake up or die. I don’t care if they die as they all mocked us for last decade. F’em and let them eat that buffalo crap while riding buses to their games!

 

[AuH2O]

Problem with Tony Altmore and his data, is he uses really outdated data. If you look at a lot of what he posts and the data he uses, the newest data from most of it is about 5 years old.
Kind of like his picture. If you see any of the shows hes been on that picture of him looks like its about 20 years ago.

He takes data from about 2015, then puts that against what is happening today with conference numbers. It paints an inaccurate picture of what is actually happening. Especially say over the Campbell era.

This is similar to looking at attendance and viewership numbers from 2018, but then putting them with team records from 2021. You cant mix and match data like that and come up with an accurate picture.

That study includes data as far back as 2011.

And regardless of how you define who to include in a fanbase, ultimately if they don’t watch or show up to games, it really doesn’t matter.

And we can argue potential for a program in terms of in field performance and how that translates to media value. Yet in an 8 win 2019, Cal drew way fewer viewers than 7 win ISU in 2021.

 

[NWICY]

It’s like opening a state of Iowa fan shop in nYC. It’s a huge market! Lots of eyeballs!

CW decided to let you survive. Congrats.

 

[JM4CY]

CW decided to let you survive. Congrats.

What did he do this time?

 

[isucy86]

I think people are overlooking a big issue with Cal stil and that's the west coast elitist stuff. Them and Stanford are a huge part of the we dont talk to religious schools and the academics matter a ton stuff too. Thats on top of nobody, fans or admin, giving a **** about athletics

Do we really want a less productive Texas in our conference?

If the media valuations make sense, would love to have Cal, Stanford, Oregon & Washington in Big12. But West Coast elitism or progressive leanings make me hesitant to add those schools.

Just when I talk myself into it not being an issue, things like Newsom raising a stink about UCLA joining the Big10 raises the red flag. CA schools might be too much of a pain off-field.

 

[2speedy1]

As of 2019, ag was only 1.4% of Iowa's workforce. There just aren't that many farmers. It generates a ton of revenue, but doesn't take that many people.

Labor Market

IWD's Labor Market Information Division is the state's premier resource for labor force data, statistics, and research on Iowa's labor market.

www.iowalmi.gov

I think these numbers are skewed. Maybe not, but I wonder what is all counted in each area. And what qualifies each.

Partly because when you farm your entire family farms, So not only does Dad not get to or watch the game, so does the wife, the kids etc.

My dad farmed for many years, then trucked, then ran his own business. And even though he no longer farmed, farmers were 90% of his business and during the busy times of the year, it was you were working to make sure they kept running and everything else was put on hold, Farmers and their support companies were first priority. During regular hours or not.

I am not sure some of those numbers are very accurate, because that is really low on some numbers. For instance they are saying there is only 3k support workers for AG. So in every Fertilizer plant, every elevator, every AG chem plant etc. In Iowa there is only 3k workers. The Truckers hauling grain. The hired men, the seasonal workers. Seed dealers. Agronomists. Seed companies. Even Vets, or the work at ISU and the Vet Med/USDA.

They only show 11k animal producers, but Iowa Select has 1,200 employees alone, plus 650 contractors that each have multiple employees.

I find it kind of limited view of what they must be counting as AG, AG related, AG supporting, or AG work,

Considering pretty much every town of less than 5K people in Iowa is 90% Ag related in some form.

But to that point it is probably a small percentage compared to the mass population centers of DM, and CR etc.

A lot of my life I lived in Fairly rural areas and pretty much everything revolved around AG, and unless there was rain football was not on the agenda for many.

 

[isucy86]

Here's my opinion on the Iowa State program and attendance. I would guess we don't have a lot of bandwagon fans at the moment.

Floor:
- 40k fans
- During the Chizik years, we had 2/3 win seasons and still got ~50k in attendance during many of the home games. I think ISU has a strong core fanbase.

Perennial 6-9 win program:
- 61.5k fans
- Sort of what we have now. I think we get the core fanbase plus casual Iowa State fans (i.e. some students that wouldn't normally go to games, football fans/alumni who live in the DSM metro, etc.)

Elite program:
-70-90k fans
- This has never really happened in ISU history, but what I think would happen if we had success like Nebraska did from the 60s-90s (sustaining a 10-12 win program). Think we would draw a lot of additional bandwagon fans.

Agree for the most part, but I think our max attendance is in the 70-75k range. And I think that is reachable in next decade if we consistently have 7+ win seasons.

ISU's undergrad enrollment would have to bump considerably over an extended window to ever reach 90k.

I also think lack of overall population growth in Iowa is a limiting factor in growing casual/tavern fan interest.

 

[NWICY]

What did he do this time?

Ripping pretty hard on the We Will collective in the collective thread where Blum was explaining things. All of athletics and the rest of the noise is just entertainment for 99% of us. Which each person decides doesn't need to be criticized by someone with a differing viewpoint as harshly as it gets sometimes. IMO.

 

[StPaulCyclone]

Cincinatti.

One of the concerns with adding those four new schools…granted it had to be done. Any discussion about raising up anymore G5 into the B12 effing stupid!

 

[2speedy1]

If the media valuations make sense, would love to have Cal, Stanford, Oregon & Washington in Big12. But West Coast elitism or progressive leanings make me hesitant to add those schools.

Just when I talk myself into it not being an issue, things like Newsom raising a stink about UCLA joining the Big10 raises the red flag. CA schools might be too much of a pain off-field.

I just think the Cal schools will flat out refuse to join. Cal and Stan I think would have issues joining the Big 10 but ultimately the money and the academics there would make it work especially the money.

The other schools in the Pac are all elitist as well, partly because of being associated with elitists for so long, but they are not nearly as bad as those in the Bay area.

Cal and Stan, not only have the elitist but a lot of serious political, personal, and ideological issues with the Big 12 schools, states, and areas, and a lot of others for that matter. SEC, ACC, and B1G would also have these same issues, just a couple of those have a much larger check book to buy them off if they wanted to.

 

[QBEagles]

For football program values I prefer this to the Altmore study:

Ranking the most valuable college football programs

It has the same problems with old data, and a few outliers (USC should be higher than #19), but it's a lot more reasonable than saying Syracuse has the 14th largest fanbase, or that Iowa State has a smaller following than Fresno, BC, Northwestern, or Vandy. It could probably use a category for how good a team is since winning pulls in national viewers, but unless you only consider the last five years that probably isn't going to help our case.

 

[Statefan10]

 

[HawaiiClone]

I just think the Cal schools will flat out refuse to join. Cal and Stan I think would have issues joining the Big 10 but ultimately the money and the academics there would make it work especially the money.

The other schools in the Pac are all elitist as well, partly because of being associated with elitists for so long, but they are not nearly as bad as those in the Bay area.

Cal and Stan, not only have the elitist but a lot of serious political, personal, and ideological issues with the Big 12 schools, states, and areas, and a lot of others for that matter. SEC, ACC, and B1G would also have these same issues, just a couple of those have a much larger check book to buy them off if they wanted to.

What I wonder though is whether athletic departments joining leagues with other athletic departments can simply be just that. And the different politics, academic levels, cultures, etc. of the schools can be learning experiences in the process.

 

[SCNCY]

Any rumor on what the offer number is?

 

[Clonehomer]

Any rumor on what the offer number is?

And really the most important part, is the Big12 estimates with 2-4 PAC teams significantly better? Or are the TV networks low balling everyone in order to afford the SEC contract?

 

[RustShack]

Any rumor on what the offer number is?

30 mil per school, for the current 10. Well that was the projection, idk if ESPN’s lowball offer went that high.

 

[HawaiiClone]

What I wonder though is whether athletic departments joining leagues with other athletic departments can simply be just that. And the different politics, academic levels, cultures, etc. of the schools can be learning experiences in the process.

As far as having somewhat similar academics goes though, that is a good incentive for schools to improve academics.

 

[ScottyP]

I think some of these PAC schools are in denial about the situation.

 

[PickSix]

Colorado is on the titanic and yet bashing their life boat.

**** it. Let them sink.

Colorado Administration Views the Big 12 as a 'JUCO League'

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www.heartlandcollegesports.com

 

[Jkclone15]

30 mil per school, for the current 10. Well that was the projection, idk if ESPN’s lowball offer went that high.

The rumors on Reddit were $25-26 mil.