Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

iowastatefan1929

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Pac 12 has nothing, that coast cares less and less about college football every year, meanwhile probably every Big 12 team has interest steady or rising.

Fine the 4 corners dont want to come, no problem, we pick off some ACC leftovers, say Louisville and Virginia Tech whenever they are ready. Sorry being in the middle of the country is a huge advantage. And we dont have to expand west, BYU is perfectly fine being on an island out there after being left out of the Pac 12, and WVU knows at this point we are going to match them some more teams out East.

No one from the Big 12 is going to the play exclusively on a coast where people care less and less about football. And the ACC raid is without a doubt going to happen.
 
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If the PAC 10 stays together:
1) It hurts the Big 12 because we want those 4 mountain schools
2) It hurts the Big 12 because their TV rights are up before ours. They can get into bed with Fox before we do.
3) They can add San Diego State, etc and get to 12 if they want (copy what we did last year).
4) With Oregon and Washington, their "elites" are more elite than our elites
5) They better get Oregon and Washington to sign iron clad Grant of Rights or they're gone at the first opportunity.

Really, the Big 12 has 2 things going for it:
1) Geography
2) Nobody wants their members (sounds bad but actually helps).

The Big 12 has leverage, primarily that the Big 18 makes more money and is better long term for mountain schools than being in a CA-less apathetic west coast conference.

We also are not on the clock with schools hoping to leave. Stick together and Fox/ESPN will have to battle to control the 3rd conference, and thus college athletics

Stay the course, stick together, and all Big 12 schools get the best possible outcome in the P2 era that’s been forced on them. ESPN only controls the situation if they divide us, and that price is P2 offer
 
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Why would FOX and ESPN work together? I’m not buying it.

I assume you mean for some kind of option where the ACC takes some and the Big 12 takes some?

Speculating, in such an arrangement they might be working together to consolidate media rights to try to keep new entrants from the market. There's a looming threat to these two players from new entrants like Apple\Amazon, who have massive piles of money to play with.
 

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Why would FOX and ESPN work together? I’m not buying it.
The operating theory is in order to delay new entrance into the market.

Fox/ESPN split up map into P2 of all top assets leaves little lost to appleTV.

But espn pissed off Fox when taking OUT and not letting Fox know
 

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Yeah I get that but it still doesn't make any sense, because those 3 schools didn't earn their records or their final rankings against a Big 12 schedule. I think Cincy had an SoS in the 90s. If they had to play those tougher Big 12 programs, as well as each other, there's no way they have those same records or that high of a ranking. And even if they did, it would mean that they'd have beaten some of those other ranked Big 12 teams, which would affect their final rankings. USC is poised for a good season, I think ranked top-10 preseason. If they make the CFP or finish in the top-10, it'd be just as silly for a B1G homer to try including that accomplishment to talk up the B1G next summer.

They did win at Notre Dame and barely lost to Georgia in the 2021 Peach Bowl. I guess we shall see next season.
 

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The Big 12 has leverage, primarily that the Big 18 makes more money and is better long term for mountain schools than being in a CA-less apathetic west coast conference.

We also are not on the clock with schools hoping to leave. Stick together and Fox/ESPN will have to battle to control the 3rd conference, and thus college athletics

Stay the course, stick together, and all Big 12 schools get the best possible outcome in the P2 era that’s been forced on them. ESPN only controls the situation if they divide us, and that price is P2 offer
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Duh!
ESPN could run the numbers and determine they'll make more money from a Clemson in the SEC than it would in the ACC. ESPN "runs the show" in both places.

The tweet earlier ended with "ESPN is trying to void their TV deal with the ACC." ESPN's best outcome is probably the most valuable schools moving to the SEC immediately and the ACC dissolving (and them not having to pay the "losers"). I don't think ESPN is the blocker here, it's the ACC itself. I think the GoR was given by the schools to the conference and it's the conference that made the TV deal and it's the conference that will block those schools from leaving... unless ESPN can find enough schools to leave that they can dissolve the ACC. We're not watching ESPN protect the ACC, we're watching ESPN attempt to destroy it.
My fear is that ESPN will look to combine the ACC and PAC leftovers into the #3 conference. No way are they going to seed #3 spot to FOX.
 

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And puts the Pac 10 at about $25 million. Not sure they would leap to the Big 12 for $5 million more.

This is an updated tweet from the same guy. Sounds like Big 12 is worth more than people think. Everyone needs to remember, none of the Big 12 numbers bandied about include Tier 3 rights whereas all other schools have Tier 3 rights included in their total numbers. This make Big 12 payouts much higher than Pac, not the $5million you are seeing. Probably at least $15million more in the Big 12 compared to Pac.

 

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That’s what they want though. Consolidation. They want all the best of south in SEC, all best of rest in the 3rd conference. Any 3rd conference is going to basically be the same schools, it’s a matter of which few get cut. ESPN wants Pac and Big 12 schools cut because cutting ACC costs them money, whereas dissolution of Big 12 saves them money
Oh yea, I was more wondering how it appeases the leftover ACC teams. They're gonna hate that.
 

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This is an updated tweet from the same guy. Sounds like Big 12 is worth more than people think. Everyone needs to remember, none of the Big 12 numbers bandied about include Tier 3 rights whereas all other schools have Tier 3 rights included in their total numbers. This make Big 12 payouts much higher than Pac, not the $5million you are seeing. Probably at least $15million more in the Big 12 compared to Pac.



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Trice

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That guy makes up everything he posts and people keep falling for it hook, line , and sinker.

Look at this reply tweet. You can say anything on the internet and nobody can stop you.

(ESPN routinely bids for sports broadcasting rights. They're one of like 3-5 companies that determines what Big 12 media rights are worth because they're the ones bidding for it. They are the market. Does anyone really believe they're going to be caught off guard here?)

 

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MHVer is the QAnon of realignment.

Reminds me of a year ago when people were reading tea leaves and drawing wild conclusions to get Iowa State in the B1G. It was B1GAnon. The comforting thought that an insider is sharing secrets with you and everything is going to work out wildly better than the haters believe.