Also if they were they wouldn’t be ranked (cincy might still be) Easy to put up a good W/L total when you play 75% or more of your games against non P5 teams.
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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WCC has a pretty high academic profile...but that means football independent.
WCC and football independent certainly might be better fit than MWC in their worst case.
Joining this pro sports minor league football is a contradiction for both Cal and Stanford in some ways. Joining the Big 12 wouldn't be that different than their Pac history.
As most assumed, the reason for ESPN not wanting to help Big 12 get Pac 6, becoming base of P3, is because they want that for ACC due to cost obligations in ACC.
Seems like an ACC without top ACC is less than Big 12, and certainly less than Big 18. Just get Pac6 to Big 12, move top of ACC to SEC, and then top ACC leftovers to Big 18. Repurpose the ACCN for Big 12/18. OUT for free to cover transaction costs. ESPN needs to wake up
If Big 12 sticks together, all gain and we have leverage. If ESPN can’t split us, Fox and Amazon make us the Big 18, OUT costs money, and ESPN loses it’s ability to have overwhelming critical mass via having half of P2 and the 3rd. Fox could also have 4th in MWC. Get these Pac6 schools in here now, then tell espn to outbid Fox
Seems like an ACC without top ACC is less than Big 12, and certainly less than Big 18. Just get Pac6 to Big 12, move top of ACC to SEC, and then top ACC leftovers to Big 18. Repurpose the ACCN for Big 12/18. OUT for free to cover transaction costs. ESPN needs to wake up
If Big 12 sticks together, all gain and we have leverage. If ESPN can’t split us, Fox and Amazon make us the Big 18, OUT costs money, and ESPN loses it’s ability to have overwhelming critical mass via having half of P2 and the 3rd. Fox could also have 4th in MWC. Get these Pac6 schools in here now, then tell espn to outbid Fox
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true and its not exactly our ADs business plan to spend big money on coaches and whatnot. plus you can live like a king in central iowa with a couple million annually, but cant say the same about big market states and cities.
but i bet jamie would love that extra money to spend on facilities.
If I had any faith in it, I’d hope congress would get involved. This is more or less a monopoly, and several flagship universities are going to be hurt by this.
I think Duke would also have no interest in joining the B12. I agree they would look at the Big East and just let their football team land wherever. They could also look at going Independent for basketball, they might be the only basketball program that could attempt that, and they could also try it knowing they would have the Big East to fall back on if they ever did want to join.
Correct. This is showing what it would look like on last years performance. We are adding 3 schools who were in the top 20 of last years final CFP ranking.
Cincinnati is a top 20 program with their coach. BYU and Houston are bordering top 25 caliber. BYU has a global brand. Houston is a top 10 TV market. UCF has measured up to SEC powers in BCS bowls.
It's always hard to say.
There were years the mountain teams outside the power conference (Utah, BSU, TCU) were legit good and proved it in bowls.
I think you have a point many times though. Houston beat 6-6 Auburn by 4 in their bowl.
I think Cincy would've easily won the Big Ten west and BYU, UCF and Houston would've all challenged for it last year. Every Big 12 team outside of KU and Tech would've, it was nothing special at all.
Unless you want to throw the Big Ten west in with American Athletic teams in terms of conference schedule paper tigers who go all season without proving much.
So, if ESPN tries to own the "best of the rest", their second tier conference will be gutted? How would that entice the four corner schools to the east coast, let alone Oregon and Washington? That contract would be dwarfed by the Big 12's.
Yeah I get that but it still doesn't make any sense, because those 3 schools didn't earn their records or their final rankings against a Big 12 schedule. I think Cincy had an SoS in the 90s. If they had to play those tougher Big 12 programs, as well as each other, there's no way they have those same records or that high of a ranking. And even if they did, it would mean that they'd have beaten some of those other ranked Big 12 teams, which would affect their final rankings. USC is poised for a good season, I think ranked top-10 preseason. If they make the CFP or finish in the top-10, it'd be just as silly for a B1G homer to try including that accomplishment to talk up the B1G next summer.
The big ten west, especially with Wisconsins decline is a joke that cincy would 100% have won last year. It’s a big reason for the scheduling changes that now have to happen with the Cali adds
It would allow them further consolidation of south to P2, and doing so by appeasing leftover ACC that they’ll be the base of leftovers.
It’s similar to what we all want, except Big 12 was assumed to be the base because ACC would be liquidated across the Big 12 (now 18?) and SEC. why? Because the Big 12 refuses to give up exit fees from OUT and become satellites in liquidationjust so ESPN can move top of ACC. Want a P3? Build the Big 12
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The longer this goes the less confident I am about a positive outcome.
I guess too many shots to the CF nutcup!
I guess too many shots to the CF nutcup!
If it was a gauntlet then a west team would have actually won the big ten in the last decade. Everyone knows the west is a joke. Iowa is a problem to play at Iowa but on the road they don’t scare anyone. Wisconsin is losing all their amazing linemen recruits that built the program and still doesn’t realize the forward pass is a thing. Nebraska must have broken a fun house worth of mirrors because they lost so many games last year that they really shouldn’t but it’s starting to hurt their recruiting
I really think you need to abandon geographic divisions somehow. UCLA is set up to struggle in this and they'll want USC playing the premier east schools at least as often as the west schools.
Iowa plays Ohio State like every 7th year right now it seems.
I can't remember how they did it when they had 11 teams and 2 rotated off. Probably do some kind of more complex version of that and matchup #1 and #2 of entire conference the way every other league is moving toward.
I have seen a few things where people are saying that ESPN is getting Clemson, Miami, UNC etc at a cheap rate so there is no reason for them to change/renegotiate/void their contract.
They are getting those schools at a discounted rate for the ACC, for matchups in the ACC.
The reason they would possibly be willing to work with them to move them from their cheap conf to their expensive one. Is their expensive one is their Cash Cow, that also makes the money for them.
The matchups they want are in the SEC, Clemson vs UGA,Bama, UF, they feel is more valuable than Clemson vs BC.
This is the same reason that Fox is putting all their eggs in the Big 10, if ESPN gets out of or kills off the ACC then they can concentrate on the SEC with the teams and matchups they want. And pay extra for those.
Will they, can they, we will see. But I can see the reason for them to work to get their chosen ones out to the SEC.
They are getting those schools at a discounted rate for the ACC, for matchups in the ACC.
The reason they would possibly be willing to work with them to move them from their cheap conf to their expensive one. Is their expensive one is their Cash Cow, that also makes the money for them.
The matchups they want are in the SEC, Clemson vs UGA,Bama, UF, they feel is more valuable than Clemson vs BC.
This is the same reason that Fox is putting all their eggs in the Big 10, if ESPN gets out of or kills off the ACC then they can concentrate on the SEC with the teams and matchups they want. And pay extra for those.
Will they, can they, we will see. But I can see the reason for them to work to get their chosen ones out to the SEC.
