Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[cyIclSoneU]

I could be wrong, but GT:

- AAU Member
- Would (have) put the BTN in the Atlanta market which is top 10

BTN has been successful. It’s not in the same place as it was before when it needed Maryland and Rutgers to force it into new markets.

Example: in downtown Atlanta right now, BTN is already offered - and on the same Xfinity cable tier as ACC Network and SEC Network.

Adding Georgia Tech to the league now doesn’t do anything for BTN.

 

[CysRage]

do you? It sure seems like they're actually going to wait out the Big 12 GOR which would mean the Big 12 gets nothing when they leave, just like the Pac 12 will get nothing when USC/UCLA leave.

Regardless if they leave immediately or in 2025, each have to pay the contracted $80 million in exit fees. The additional GOR collections apply if they leave before 2025.

 

[besserheimerphat]

I feel like a lot of these media dicks lamenting the fall of the Pac12 are just upset that they can't expense a couple trips to LA every year anymore.

 

[Stormin]

Because of academics (see the Big10 Academic Alliance) and it "brings" them the Atlanta market, which is the same mentality that Maryland/Rutgers "brings" the DC/NYC markets.

Georgia Tech has terrible attendance now as their football program has diminished. They can’t feel secure about being in P2.

 

[enisthemenace]

BTN has been successful. It’s not in the same place as it was before when it needed Maryland and Rutgers to force it into new markets.

Example: in downtown Atlanta right now, BTN is already offered - and on the same Xfinity cable tier as ACC Network and SEC Network.

Adding Georgia Tech to the league now doesn’t do anything for BTN.

“Now” wasn’t the question I was responding to.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

“Now” wasn’t the question I was responding to.

I’m not saying you’re wrong but rather saying the people who talk about BTN benefitting by adding small-fanbase programs in big cities are stuck in 2010.

 

[HFCS]

BTN has been successful. It’s not in the same place as it was before when it needed Maryland and Rutgers to force it into new markets.

Example: in downtown Atlanta right now, BTN is already offered - and on the same Xfinity cable tier as ACC Network and SEC Network.

Adding Georgia Tech to the league now doesn’t do anything for BTN.

How are they as B12 candidate?

I had always been thinking about Pitt and Louisville in terms of easy available adds to Cincy/WVU. I guess I never considered Miami and Duke would be possibilities.

 

[jakemcilroy]

MTN: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Colorado, BYU

HOOPS THAT PLAYS FB: Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Duke (embrace BB), NC State

TEXAS: Oklahoma St, TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Houston

BIG EAST: UCF, Miami, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Louisville

FOOTBALL
Play your POD every year (4 games)
Play 1 other pod every 3 years (5 games)
2 non-con games
12th game is 1 vs. 4 / 2 vs. 3 semi-finals on campus sites - others play 12th game based on standings...5 vs. 6, 7 vs. 8, 9 vs. 10, 11 vs. 12, etc at higher seed.
13th game is Championship game in early December at Jerry World, Orange Bowl, Fiest Bowl/Vegas (rotating)

BASKETBALL
Play POD twice (8 games)
Play everoyne else once (15 games) - rotate H/A every other year
8 non-con games
Conference Tourney in Kansas City

 

[HFCS]

I’m not saying you’re wrong but rather saying the people who talk about BTN benefitting by adding small-fanbase programs in big cities are stuck in 2010.

UCLA road on UCS's coattails to get in.

 

[WhoISthis]

do you? It sure seems like they're actually going to wait out the Big 12 GOR which would mean the Big 12 gets nothing when they leave, just like the Pac 12 will get nothing when USC/UCLA leave.

Exit fees in Big 12.

And if OUT stay through GOR, great, they’ll help build the brand of the new schools.

The Big 12 is in a much worse place without having OUT as a piece to play- including allowing them to leave for free in exchange for something. Whether such a transaction occurs is tbd but it gives both espn a carrot to consider.

As long as the Big 12 is unified, they have little risk and the price for all is increased. Basically P2 (KU?) or else base of P3. OUT can be traded in exchange for espn facilitating that

 

[enisthemenace]

I’m not saying you’re wrong but rather saying the people who talk about BTN benefitting by adding small-fanbase programs in big cities are stuck in 2010.

Absolutely. Just wanted to clarify that I was responding to a post that asked why GT was thought to be a B1G target years ago. I answered the question. That’s all.

 

[Clark]

How are they as B12 candidate?

I had always been thinking about Pitt and Louisville in terms of easy available adds to Cincy/WVU. I guess I never considered Miami and Duke would be possibilities.

I don't think the Big 12 would want Duke, I think it would be more likely Duke joins a basketball only conference like the Big East.

Look at it this way, if Kansas weren't already in the Big 12, would the Big 12 be looking at adding Kansas?

 

[FriendlySpartan]

slight disagreement there- Miami does not still have a huge fan base. Arguably they never did. Miami is like USC in that locally there is some apathy but they are still a name the rest of the nation cares about. A good FSU-Miami matchup will be watched by casual college football fans.

Also a good amount of BIG fans in FL/Miami

Miami has also being killing it on the recruiting trail. Obv could be a short term thing but combine that with their academics and a foothold in Florida and I mom confident they will get a spot in the P2 at some point

 

[HFCS]

MTN: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Colorado, BYU

HOOPS THAT PLAYS FB: Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Duke (embrace BB), NC State

TEXAS: Oklahoma St, TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Houston

BIG EAST: UCF, Miami, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Louisville

FOOTBALL
Play your POD every year (4 games)
Play 1 other pod every 3 years (5 games)
2 non-con games
12th game is 1 vs. 4 / 2 vs. 3 semi-finals on campus sites
13th game is Championship game in early December at Jerry World, Orange Bowl, Fiest Bowl (rotating)

BASKETBALL
Play POD twice (8 games)
Play everoyne else once (15 games) - rotate H/A every other year
8 non-con games
Conference Tourney in Kansas City

I like this and honestly top to bottom it would be more than competitive with Big Ten football. I'm not convinced more cash is going to make Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Minnesota, Nebraska etc, into juggernauts and there are teams in that Big 12 that would/could be.

I was wondering about a basketball conf tourney that's like a Champions League where it's the top 8 so you're not burning out your champ...rather than those weird structures where a low seeded team would have to play 5-6 games to go all the way. Your mid or low tier tournament would also be able to add wins to resume to help bubble.

 

[timinatoria]

BTN has been successful. It’s not in the same place as it was before when it needed Maryland and Rutgers to force it into new markets.

Example: in downtown Atlanta right now, BTN is already offered - and on the same Xfinity cable tier as ACC Network and SEC Network.

Adding Georgia Tech to the league now doesn’t do anything for BTN.

What I have read is that the B1G network gets .10 per cable subscriber in Georgia right now. If there is a B1G team in Georgia that amount automatically goes to $1.50 per subsciber. Those numbers could be a little off or out of date, but you get the idea. Adding GT makes Georgia 'in footprint' of the conference and greatly increases the $$$.

 

[HFCS]

I don't think the Big 12 would want Duke, I think it would be more likely Duke joins a basketball only conference like the Big East.

Look at it this way, if Kansas weren't already in the Big 12, would the Big 12 be looking at adding Kansas?

With ACC unstable KU and Duke really are twins. The ACC stability was the thing that separated them.

 

[WhoISthis]

BTN has been successful. It’s not in the same place as it was before when it needed Maryland and Rutgers to force it into new markets.

Example: in downtown Atlanta right now, BTN is already offered - and on the same Xfinity cable tier as ACC Network and SEC Network.

Adding Georgia Tech to the league now doesn’t do anything for BTN.

The primary value in going after GT is as a ruse to make SeC/ESPN spend money on it. The SEC loves this concept of being the only P2 in the south

 

[HFCS]

The primary value in going after GT is as a ruse to make SeC/ESPN spend money on it. The SEC loves this concept of being the only P2 in the south

I think getting A&M was really their key move. If A&M/Texas/OU had stayed out of SEC as a block the SEC could never have become what it is going to now.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

I don't think the Big 12 would want Duke, I think it would be more likely Duke joins a basketball only conference like the Big East.

Look at it this way, if Kansas weren't already in the Big 12, would the Big 12 be looking at adding Kansas?

On the other hand I could see the Big 12 saying we are never going to compete with B1G/SEC football money so we’ll try to continue as the top hoops conference as well as be competitive-ish in football. And that would be a plus for Duke as a school #20 or #22 or whatever.

 

[WhoISthis]

Miami has also being killing it on the recruiting trail. Obv could be a short term thing but combine that with their academics and a foothold in Florida and I mom confident they will get a spot in the P2 at some point

Totally agree.

I flipped on Miami when NIL kicked in, and since the SEC is about pay to play, I assume they also moved Miami up the list

Miami is further away from Tallahassee than Baton Rogue is from Tallahassee. The SeC can have 3 FL schools just as easily as it can have 2 in any other state.

Miami is going to spend it’s way to a P2, just a question of whether they start in one imo. Very fitting given how the climb to the P5 level