Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

brett108

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Why take wazzu, when you take UDub? Why take the beavers if you take the ducks? Why take a bear, when you take a tree? Its the same reasoning used on ISU to the BIG. why would you take six when three gets you the market?
You take brands, but your point still holds. None other than Stanford has enough of a brand to be considered if the better looking sibling is already on board.
 

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Nope. According to 2019 data only 6.7% of the US lives in the mountain time zone. I knew it would be the lowest but didn’t expect it to be that low.

Low but growing and may never catch up. At one point only having AZ/ASU/CU for entire time zone was under represented. With Utah being fastest growing state and no NFL competition, current 5 major conference teams in that time zone is probably correct vs 3 it had a decade ago.

I think Big Ten doesn't bother with it but having those 5 in our league that is struggling to keep up and outflank future weakened ACC probably helps.

Australia is the same way globally, just started growing long after modern countries and even long after US and Canada, only 25 million people on the entire continent.
 

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Low but growing and may never catch up. At one point only having AZ/ASU/CU for entire time zone was under represented. With Utah being fastest growing state and no NFL competition, current 5 major conference teams in that time zone is probably correct vs 3 it had a decade ago.

I think Big Ten doesn't bother with it but having those 5 in our league that is struggling to keep up and outflank future weakened ACC probably helps.

Australia is the same way globally, just started growing long after modern countries and even long after US and Canada, only 25 million people on the entire continent.

I love Aus but that continent can't support a ton of people. The coasts are beautiful but the interior is the outback for a reason.
 

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PAC 12 has just lost their 2 biggest draws. The next 2 Washington and Oregon have applied for Big Ten membership. Stanford and Cal are in shock. PAC 12 is doomed. They know it. Oregon State and Washington State are dead weight. They know it. Arizona Schools know the Big 12 is their only shot. CU and Utah the same. No one is going to join the PAC 12. Who wants to hop on that sinking ship?
 

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PAC 12 has just lost their 2 biggest draws. The next 2 Washington and Oregon have applied for Big Ten membership. Stanford and Cal are in shock. PAC 12 is doomed. They know it. Oregon State and Washington State are dead weight. They know it. Arizona Schools know the Big 12 is their only shot. CU and Utah the same. No one is going to join the PAC 12. Who wants to hop on that sinking ship?
Boise State.
 

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Low but growing and may never catch up. At one point only having AZ/ASU/CU for entire time zone was under represented. With Utah being fastest growing state and no NFL competition, current 5 major conference teams in that time zone is probably correct vs 3 it had a decade ago.

I think Big Ten doesn't bother with it but having those 5 in our league that is struggling to keep up and outflank future weakened ACC probably helps.

Australia is the same way globally, just started growing long after modern countries and even long after US and Canada, only 25 million people on the entire continent.
Don't get me wrong. All those teams make sense for the Big 12. But the Big 10 has a presence in the central and Eastern time zone, and those are biggest by far. The eastern has 47.6% and the central 29.1%. 3/4 people in the US live East of the Rockies.

Also in terms of percentage growth, starting with a smaller number makes the percentage look big. Texas and Florida added more people than any other state according to the 2020 census.
 
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PAC 12 has just lost their 2 biggest draws. The next 2 Washington and Oregon have applied for Big Ten membership. Stanford and Cal are in shock. PAC 12 is doomed. They know it. Oregon State and Washington State are dead weight. They know it. Arizona Schools know the Big 12 is their only shot. CU and Utah the same. No one is going to join the PAC 12. Who wants to hop on that sinking ship?
I don’t believe that Oregon and Washington have applied for big ten membership yet
 

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I don’t believe that Oregon and Washington have applied for big ten membership yet
That's the next step. Those two staying could salvage the conference, but that all depends on the new media deal. It has to be better or those two wont be there. PAC12 commissioner is officially the worst job in the country today.
 

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Not exactly sure.
That's the next step. Those two staying could salvage the conference, but that all depends on the new media deal. It has to be better or those two wont be there. PAC12 commissioner is officially the worst job in the country today.
Which network has PAC tier one?
 

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That's the next step. Those two staying could salvage the conference, but that all depends on the new media deal. It has to be better or those two wont be there. PAC12 commissioner is officially the worst job in the country today.
I'm sure they have reached out, but it takes two to tango. What if the Big 10 said not at this time? Again, I haven't seen anything of any substance that Oregon and Washington to the Big 10 is going to happen. Wouldn't shock me if it did happen though.
 

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Diving into forums across the country is fun right now. Wazzu playing out all the scenarios where they aren't screwed, without acknowledging its a possibility. Zona St laughing at WSU, OSU, and lumping in rival Zona as they won't land anywhere, acknowledging they likely won't make the B1G. Some want a revamped PAC and some want Big12. B1G fans wondering who they're grabbing next. One interesting option was doing the anti SEC and grabbing blueblood basketball UNC/Duke/Kansas. Florida State fans trying to figure out how they get out of the GOR and land safely in the SEC despite Florida. NC St fans acknowledge ACC's time is limited hoping for SEC landing spot. What a soap opera!?!?!
 

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I know the popular opinion is that Big XII will poach the PAC 12 but just do a comparison of the schools in each conference. There is no good way to compare schools one to one, but I took a super simple approach.
KU - Washington
Oklahoma State - Oregon
Baylor - Stanford
Iowa State - Cal
Texas Tech - Arizona
TCU - ASU
Kansas State - CU
West Virginia - Utah

UCF - Oregon State
Houston - Washington State
BYU
Cincy

Which school on the left would you take vs the one on the right if you were another conference. I just don't feel great that the PAC 12 won't hurt the Big XII if Oregon and Washington decide to stay. But my initial thought is that conference has struggled with fan support and it's time zones keep the rest of the country uninterested, so that gives us an edge.

But if the ACC offered WV and UCF or Cincy would they stay here?

All this said we are a strong top to bottom, although historically we have no flagships left. maybe that's the strength of our conference. No more OU/T or USC/UCLA to blow it up.
But what would your match-ups between new Big12 and Pac12 without OR & UW look like?

There is a lot of parity among the new Big12 members and Pac12 x OR, UW, Or State & WSU.

Not saying I don't want Oregon & Washington- they would obviously be 1/2 in a Big12/Pac12 merger. But not the gap that UT & OU had over the rest of Big12.