Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[FinalFourCy]

Agree breaking MBB media rights from FB helps create a path for basketball blue bloods like Duke & KU to join P2.

Streamers have already proven themselves as viable media partners in sport. Just look at professional sport rights deals over the last few years. That might also be the wrong characterization. With the actual business model being a move toward Subscription Based distribution of content.

In the end, the Duke & Amazon deal seems like a one-off. Because making it standard practice at a conference level would devalue the core media rights deal.

And in this case ESPN can afford to release some inventory because the cost-basis of their existing ACC deal goes back to 2016.

Streaming has definitely proven to have cash to spend to try and improve adaptation of the the nascent technology.

IMO Streaming has not yet proven to profitable (and highly watched) as pseudo pay-per-view events for college sports. Or proven to be worth espn taking big brand matchups off linear.

If successful, imo it increases the odds we see the P2 have streaming in their next deals. Perhaps to help pay for the Duke types. Although I suppose those odds were already good.

If it’s a one-off, it’s in Duke not sharing…but that’s assuming we don’t see unequal revenue sharing or eat-what-you-kill incentives in conference deals, which is uncertain given that’s how the P2 can easily expand, gaining more control and more postseason revenue

 

[cykadelic2]

I can tell you the FCS is just swimming in cash from ESPN having to 'bid appropriately' for it to get the VB, WBB and CWS....

That is quite the lame attempt to compare that bundling of non-rev sports to that of bundling G6 FB with P4/P7 FB (the 2nd most watched US sports property)

 

[cykadelic2]

Meaningless bowl games with two G6 teams though? Also what national title are they playing for when the best team is still going to the actual playoff?

Also what is the P7?

I get this goes back to your media rights bundling thing but there is no incentive to tack on an additional playoff for the irrelevant 6

G6 bowl games on ESPN draw well enough for ESPN to keep televising them after all these years. And most smart fans and bettors would rather watch a meaningful G6 playoff game than an exhibition bowl game with opt outs between P4/P7 teams. And as stated in my prior post, a G6 playoff maxes revenues and interest when the top G6 team doesn’t play in the G4/G7 CFP.

And your so called Irrelevant 6 is currently irrelevant because G6 FB is the only sport on earth that doesn’t provide all of its conference champs access to a national title. It’s absolutely ridiculous that situation still exists.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

G6 bowl games on ESPN draw well enough for ESPN to keep televising them after all these years. And most smart fans and bettors would rather watch a meaningful G6 playoff game than an exhibition bowl game with opt outs between P4/P7 teams. And as stated in my prior post, a G6 playoff maxes revenues and interest when the top G6 team doesn’t play in the G4/G7 CFP.

And your so called Irrelevant 6 is currently irrelevant because G6 FB is the only sport on earth that doesn’t provide all of conference champs access to a national title. It’s absolutely ridiculous that situation still exists.

I mean they can drop down to FCS if they want. A G6 title playoff is just the NIT for football. It’s he teams that couldn’t get into the dance basically.

If they want to try it go ahead, some money is better then none but no one cares about G6 vs G6 matchups as evidenced by almost all rankings ever and if you think playing for the JV championship will make them relevant then I’m kinda at a loss.

Also what is the P7 you keep mentioning?

 

[cykadelic2]

I mean they can drop down to FCS if they want. A G6 title playoff is just the NIT for football. It’s he teams that couldn’t get into the dance basically.

If they want to try it go ahead, some money is better then none but no one cares about G6 vs G6 matchups as evidenced by almost all rankings ever and if you think playing for the JV championship will make them relevant then I’m kinda at a loss.

Also what is the P7 you keep mentioning?

G6 playoff isn’t comparable to the NIT. Teams are playing for a national title.

As you are already well aware, P7 happens when/if smart people bust up oversized 18 team clusterf*ck conferences like the B10 so that all of FBS can triple their media revenues.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

G6 playoff isn’t comparable to the NIT. Teams are playing for a national title.

As you are already well aware, P7 happens when/if smart people bust up oversized 18 team clusterf*ck conferences like the B10 so that all of FBS can triple their media revenues.

Gotta be honest I wasn’t aware of that being what you meant as P7 since that’s never happening but appreciate the clarification.

G6 playoff isn’t a national title, it’s who is the best team of the ritual sacrifices to the P4 is. Honestly possibly even second best as the best team would get that autobid to the actual playoff.

Btw I am 100% on board with a G6 playoff if it means they don’t go to bowl games or get a spot in the actual playoff.

 

[isucy86]

G6 playoff isn’t comparable to the NIT. Teams are playing for a national title.

As you are already well aware, P7 happens when/if smart people bust up oversized 18 team clusterf*ck conferences like the B10 so that all of FBS can triple their media revenues.

P7 only exists in Cody Campbell & his fanboys CFB fantasy world.

In the real world, it's a Big10, SEC, ACC and Big12 until 2031. And a revised reality after 2031 would be: An expanded Big10 plus an expanded SEC plus a combined Big12/ACC (less a few).

Having a 7x10 structure is a solid idea, it's just 20 years too late. Gotta live in reality!

 

[CascadeClone]

Meaningless bowl games still draw well for ESPN.

Draw well for gambling too, which might be the more important piece - having inventory not just for TV, but for betESPN.

We're so close to Idiocracy and 1984 at the same time...

 

[cykadelic2]

Draw well for gambling too, which might be the more important piece - having inventory not just for TV, but for betESPN.

betESPN no longer exists and anyone who bets on meaningless bowl games with opt outs needs serious help.

 

[CascadeClone]

betESPN no longer exists and anyone who bets on meaningless bowl games with opt outs needs serious help.

LOL on me had no idea about betESPN. But thats mostly because I never watch ESPN or sports outside of ISU. I canceled my monthly sub to ESPN+ at end of February.

But I would emphasize how much gambling is driving sports right now, you CANNOT dismiss it as just degenerates. There's so much $$$ to be made you can bet on anything - WNBA player props ffs. I wouldn't argue a lot of people need help with gambling problems, but I promise you they are all seen as customers and market growth by the gambling houses.

 

[FinalFourCy]

LOL on me had no idea about betESPN. But thats mostly because I never watch ESPN or sports outside of ISU. I canceled my monthly sub to ESPN+ at end of February.

But I would emphasize how much gambling is driving sports right now, you CANNOT dismiss it as just degenerates. There's so much $$$ to be made you can bet on anything - WNBA player props ffs. I wouldn't argue a lot of people need help with gambling problems, but I promise you they are all seen as customers and market growth by the gambling houses.

It will only get more prominent as technology augments betting, while also making employment more difficult

Offering premium feeds that aid betting is one way how these companies are going to offset loss of carriage. And If you’re struggling to get a path towards wealth in a career, the allusion of making money on betting on sports/markets will be strong

 

[CascadeClone]

It will only get more prominent as technology augments betting, while also making employment more difficult

Offering premium feeds that aid betting is one way how these companies are going to offset loss of carriage. And If you’re struggling to get a path towards wealth in a career, the allusion of making money on betting on sports/markets will be strong

“Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbours, films, football, beer, and above all, gambling, filled up the horizon of their minds”

 

[FinalFourCy]

We already knew this, but most of the P2 are filler schools, just like the Big 12 and ACC

The Duke Amazon deal is starting to make that harder to ignore

 

[cykadelic2]

We already knew this, but most of the P2 are filler schools, just like the Big 12 and ACC

The Duke Amazon deal is starting to make that harder to ignore

If Ohio St actually did that, they wouldn't be playing other existing B10 teams at home or on the road.

A better solution for them is 7x10 realignment with FBS/CFP media rights pooling (which triples media revenues anyway) and instead of sharing with 17 other B10 schools, they share with only 9 and where 25%-40% of pooled media revenue pie is based on TV ratings, they make even more money.

 

[FinalFourCy]

If Ohio St actually did that, they wouldn't be playing other existing B10 teams at home or on the road.

A better solution for them is 7x10 realignment with FBS/CFP media rights pooling (which triples media revenues anyway) and instead of sharing with 17 other B10 schools, they share with only 9 and where 25%-40% of pooled media revenue pie is based on TV ratings, they make even more money.

If OSU did what?

I appreciate your literal interpretation, and the tweet was vague, but what they’re alluding to is the elite uncoupling from the scheduling constraints and shared revenue of the (bloated) conference model

The point is that most of the P5 was filler.

The elite need filler to a degree, but the filler inventory is far more homogeneous than the gap between P2 and M2 suggests.

The elites would benefit by not paying a premium for legacy filler, instead clustering with other elites and buying from the best of the rest as needed, or go unequal revenue sharing in the P2

 

[FriendlySpartan]

If OSU did what?

I appreciate your literal interpretation, and the tweet was vague, but what they’re alluding to is the elite uncoupling from the scheduling constraints and shared revenue of the (bloated) conference model

The point is that most of the P5 was filler.

The elite need filler to a degree, but the filler inventory is far more homogeneous than the gap between P2 and M2 suggests.

The elites would benefit by not paying a premium for legacy filler, instead clustering with other elites and buying from the best of the rest as needed, or go unequal revenue sharing in the P2

And we are full circle to the super league again lol, that isn’t happening.

Btw while I agree with the filler part to an extent the point of how the P2 operate is that the filler have the ability to rise up à la Indiana. They were by definition a “filler” school for their entire modern history and are now your defending national champions.

It’s also why you won’t see unequal rev share in the P2. Indianas rise has helped kneecap a lot of those arguments

 

[FinalFourCy]

And we are full circle to the super league again lol, that isn’t happening.

Btw while I agree with the filler part to an extent the point of how the P2 operate is that the filler have the ability to rise up à la Indiana. They were by definition a “filler” school for their entire modern history and are now your defending national champions.

It’s also why you won’t see unequal rev share in the P2. Indianas rise has helped kneecap a lot of those arguments

Goodness, you’re so bad at this.

It’s nearly the opposite of a Superleague.

It’s parsing out schools. Perhaps not completely à la carte independence imo, but clustering. The elites have some level of bundling to other elites, and treat filler as filler. Stop paying needless premiums for their legacy fillers

It is much more similar to the 7+ conference models some promote, except clustered by valuation as much as (more than) geography or history. And WITHOUT significant revenue sharing

To your comment on Indiana, that exemplifies one of the points. The only difference between filler in the P2 and filler outside the P2, is the P2 membership. Switch in a Tech or TCU or even KU, and they just as readily could become IU. Likely more so. Why should the elites subsidize that difference?

Moreover, the point is that the Duke deal is another step towards unequal revenue sharing. The elites regaining their prestige moat that was diminished in pay to play.
And without equal revenue sharing, subsidies from elites, a good portion of the P2 is immaterially different than M2

JFC sparty

 

[Al_4_State]

We already knew this, but most of the P2 are filler schools, just like the Big 12 and ACC

The Duke Amazon deal is starting to make that harder to ignore

If the Big 10 and SEC formally separate from the rest of the sport, it's pretty obvious that it will only be a matter of time before they jettison the non-blue bloods and end up with the 16ish schools that are actual annual powers. Ohio State and Michigan are going to tire of subsidizing eventually.

Iowa and Nebraska won't make that cut.

 

[Al_4_State]

Goodness, you’re so bad at this.

It’s nearly the opposite of a Superleague.

It’s parsing out schools. Perhaps not completely à la carte independence imo, but clustering. The elites have some level of bundling to other elites, and treat filler as filler. Stop paying needless premiums for their legacy fillers

It is much more similar to the 7+ conference models some promote, except clustered by valuation as much as (more than) geography or history. And WITHOUT significant revenue sharing

To your comment on Indiana, that exemplifies one of the points. The only difference between filler in the P2 and filler outside the P2, is the P2 membership. Switch in a Tech or TCU or even KU, and they just as readily could become IU. Likely more so. Why should the elites subsidize that difference?

Moreover, the point is that the Duke deal is another step towards unequal revenue sharing. The elites regaining their prestige moat that was diminished in pay to play.
And without equal revenue sharing, subsidies from elites, a good portion of the P2 is immaterially different than M2

JFC sparty

If you put Iowa State, Kansas, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah, and Tech into the Big 10 and put Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Rutgers, Maryland, and Purdue in the Big 12, what would the net effect on the TV value be? It certainly wouldn't go backwards.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

If you put Iowa State, Kansas, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah, and Tech into the Big 10 and put Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Rutgers, Maryland, and Purdue in the Big 12, what would the net effect on the TV value be? It certainly wouldn't go backwards.

Basically a big ten west swap for the best of the big12, from an athletics point it’s nothing but a win. Media might not move much but to your point it certainly isn’t dropping. Lose the academic prestige but that’s not a TV valuation concern