Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[Gonzo]

You’re the effin Hawk, you tell me. Maybe Purple Hawk can help you out.

You keep dodging very simple questions.

If Louisville was currently in the B1G or SEC, would they be out front championing the SAFE initiative?

If ISU was currently in the B1G or SEC, would you be campaigning so hard for the SAFE initiative?

Simple yes/no questions.

 

[CascadeClone]

You’re the effin Hawk, you tell me. Maybe Purple Hawk can help you out.

Stop being a Richard. Just because you feel like a lonely Cassandra, is no excuse to be rude and insulting.

 

[cykadelic2]

You keep dodging very simple questions.

If Louisville was currently in the B1G or SEC, would they be out front championing the SAFE initiative?

If ISU was currently in the B1G or SEC, would you be campaigning so hard for the SAFE initiative?

Simple yes/no questions.

You tell me the specific issues outlined in the Louisville Trustee’s report that would trigger opposition by a SEC or B10 member.

 

[Gonzo]

You tell me the specific issues outlined in the Louisville Trustee’s report that would trigger opposition by a SEC or B10 member.

Lol. Why can't you just answer a simple yes/no question? That's kind of a rhetorical question, I know why you can't or more accurately won't answer. Because you don't want to admit your hypocrisy.

 

[cykadelic2]

Lol. Why can't you just answer a simple yes/no question? That's kind of a rhetorical question, I know why you can't or more accurately won't answer. Because you don't want to admit your hypocrisy.

LOL at your idiotic hypocrisy claim.

I don’t know the answer to your question because I don’t have the perspective of a B10 or SEC member like you do.

 

[Gonzo]

I don’t know the answer to your question because I don’t have the perspective of a B10 or SEC member like you do.

Well good for you, I do know the answer. If Louisville were in the B1G or SEC, they would be happy as a well-fed kitten with the current state of affairs in college football. As would you if ISU were in the B1G or SEC. You don't want to admit it, but you know it's true. That's why I say this whole thing is an exercise in hypocrisy. The Texas Tech billionaire is crying about not having a level playing field, and meanwhile is pumping >10x the NIL cash into the Red Raider program that programs like ISU can afford.

 

[cykadelic2]

Well good for you, I do know the answer. If Louisville were in the B1G or SEC, they would be happy as a well-fed kitten with the current state of affairs in college football. As would you if ISU were in the B1G or SEC. You don't want to admit it, but you know it's true. That's why I say this whole thing is an exercise in hypocrisy. The Texas Tech billionaire is crying about not having a level playing field, and meanwhile is pumping >10x the NIL cash into the Red Raider program that programs like ISU can afford.

Only the mentally challenged make the issues at hand solely about Campbell as you are incapable of providing fault with the Louisville Trustee analysis.

And only the selfish bastards from the B10 and SEC don’t want to do what is best for college sports as pointed out by the Louisville Trustee.

 

[Gonzo]

Only the mentally challenged make the issues at hand solely about Campbell as you are incapable of providing fault with the Louisville Trustee analysis.

And only the selfish bastards from the B10 and SEC don’t want to do what is best for college sports as pointed out by the Louisville Trustee.

Aaaaaaand.... you still haven't answered the question. Lol.

 

[cykadelic2]

Aaaaaaand.... you still haven't answered the question. Lol.

,,,,,,, and you still haven’t answered mine. As posted before, you’re the effin Hawk and should be equipped to respond.

 

[Gonzo]

,,,,,,, and you still haven’t answered mine. As posted before, you’re the effin Hawk and should be equipped to respond.

I asked you a very simple yes/no question. I can't even remember what you asked me but it was nothing more than a way to dodge my question and admit the simple truth that if ISU were in the B1G right now you'd be 100% AGAINST the SAFE initiative going anywhere. And you know it. Lol.

 

[CyCrazy]

The answer is simple, Louisville wouldn't be chirping if they were in the P2. This isn't difficult, well it is for one person.

 

[Al_4_State]

Well good for you, I do know the answer. If Louisville were in the B1G or SEC, they would be happy as a well-fed kitten with the current state of affairs in college football. As would you if ISU were in the B1G or SEC. You don't want to admit it, but you know it's true. That's why I say this whole thing is an exercise in hypocrisy. The Texas Tech billionaire is crying about not having a level playing field, and meanwhile is pumping >10x the NIL cash into the Red Raider program that programs like ISU can afford.

This is a thing I go back and forth on in my mind.

Being "safe" would be really nice, but there's something kind of hopeless about being a bottom half Big 10/SEC program if you don't have a Curt Cignetti or Mark Cuban in your ranks, which we don't.

As a fan, I'm not sure that one is better than the other. If you aren't a fan of a top 15 program, or a program with a huge/willing booster, you're just arguing about different versions of the sport screwing you over.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

Only the mentally challenged make the issues at hand solely about Campbell as you are incapable of providing fault with the Louisville Trustee analysis.

And only the selfish bastards from the B10 and SEC don’t want to do what is best for college sports as pointed out by the Louisville Trustee.

How on earth is it their responsibility to 'do what's best for college sports'?

LOL. You look out for #1.

If Iowa State was in the P2 you'd be name calling everybody in support of the legislation.

 

[Al_4_State]

How on earth is it their responsibility to 'do what's best for college sports'?

LOL. You look out for #1.

If Iowa State was in the P2 you'd be name calling everybody in support of the legislation.

It's pretty hard to deny that a modicum of altruism would benefit them in the long term. And by "modicum of altruism" I just mean "not destroying everything".

There are a lot of successful businesses that operate with the mindset that they have a responsibility to their community to not just squeeze every last short term dollar. The Big 10 and SEC could be the most powerful financial entities in the sport without killing it, or even really harming it, but they needed MORE.

Every other conference in turn is forced to act the same way to merely survive, and I can't see any tangible way it's benefiting the sport. It's not even benefiting a the majority of the schools in those leagues or their fans. They just can't push back because of the escalating death knell/late stage capitalism mindset that has infected college sports.

At some point, the current trajectory of college sports will lead to it's falling out of favor with the American populace. That will happen sooner because of actions that have occurred in the past 20 years that were focused on maximizing shareholder value in the moment. Less wealth will be accumulated in the aggregate, but the people making the decisions only care about maximizing their earnings in the near term.

 

[Gonzo]

This is a thing I go back and forth on in my mind.

Being "safe" would be really nice, but there's something kind of hopeless about being a bottom half Big 10/SEC program if you don't have a Curt Cignetti or Mark Cuban in your ranks, which we don't.

As a fan, I'm not sure that one is better than the other. If you aren't a fan of a top 15 program, or a program with a huge/willing booster, you're just arguing about different versions of the sport screwing you over.

Agree. This is what he doesn't seem to get. He just calls me dumb hok and thinks I actually believe Iowa being in the B1G means we have any kind of chance to become some sort of blueblood and CFP mainstay. I know Iowa was born on 3rd base with conference affiliation and is fortunate to ride the tOSU/Oregon/Michigan wave.

 

[cykadelic2]

I asked you a very simple yes/no question. I can't even remember what you asked me but it was nothing more than a way to dodge my question and admit the simple truth that if ISU were in the B1G right now you'd be 100% AGAINST the SAFE initiative going anywhere. And you know it. Lol.

I have asked you multiple times to provide your specific faults with the Louisville Trustee analysis. Since you "can't remember", you probably need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills.

And if ISU was a legacy B10 member and have the potential to double their media revenues with the SBA amendment/d media rights pooling and open the door to rationally downsizing the conference to 10 schools, ISU would certainly support it.

And the opposition isn't coming from B10 membership (and let me know when that opposition is made public - good luck with that), it is coming from Fox via their puppet boy Sankey.

 

[cykadelic2]

How on earth is it their responsibility to 'do what's best for college sports'?

LOL. You look out for #1.

If Iowa State was in the P2 you'd be name calling everybody in support of the legislation.

You're such a Purple Hawk dying to see ISU relegated.

As pointed out in the Louisville reports, the successful leagues in the US and Europe work together for benefit of all its members. CFB is the exception where a successful conference has already been destroyed and if nothing is done, 20-25 more schools are going to get financially and competitively relegated without Fed intervention (and as pointed multiple times previously, those words are coming from JP).

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I have asked you multiple times to provide your specific faults with the Louisville Trustee analysis. Since you "can't remember", you probably need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills.

And if ISU was a legacy B10 member and have the potential to double their media revenues with the SBA amendment/d media rights pooling and open the door to rationally downsizing the conference to 10 schools, ISU would certainly support it.

And the opposition isn't coming from B10 membership (and let me know when that opposition is made public - good luck with that), it is coming from Fox via their puppet boy Sankey.

So I’ll point out a couple major issues with the Louisville statement, some points are intentionally misguided and a few more are just wrong.

The first issue I have is how they talk about AD debt. While there are depts who are run horribly like Rutgers and whatever Arizona university had a major accounting error they also use examples like Penn State having huge debt but that’s all tied to stadium renovation. Many AD’s are in debt for that exact same reason but that’s not necessarily bad debt. In addition no one is forcing them to do it and it’s getting sign off from the schools to allow while Louisville is treating all debt as the same, it just isn’t.

Louisville like many schools have a keeping up with the jones problem without the money to do so. They see programs expanding facilities, paying coaches high salaries etc and they just follow along. In their own argument they use Colorado of an example of this saying that Colorado is in debt because they doubled coach primes salary for doing nothing. That’s not something that was imposed on them, that’s their own mismanagement that they are forcing on themselves and plenty of non P2 schools are fully of this issue.

This by the way is a problem you don’t seem to get. The schools are all making more money then ever but because they can’t control themselves and feel a need to keep up with power programs they keep spending. If their revenue doubled tomorrow they would just spend more and in 3-5 years we would be in the exact same place.

Finally Louisville has this obsession that they mention multiple times that they need to be competing for championships. That’s so entitled I almost can’t believe they wrote it. They are entitled to the opportunity (which they have) but not the ability to do so.

I also find this incredibly rich for an AD who hasn’t even been in a current power conference for barely a decade yet to be this entitled as far as competition goes. Especially for a program that has had 6 different head coaches in basketball in the last 9 years.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

You're such a Purple Hawk dying to see ISU relegated.

As pointed out in the Louisville reports, the successful leagues in the US and Europe work together for benefit of all its members. CFB is the exception where a successful conference has already been destroyed and if nothing is done, 20-25 more schools are going to get financially and competitively relegated without Fed intervention (and as pointed multiple times previously, those words are coming from JP).

Are you like 12 years old? Stop with the PurpleHawk ********.

Get an anti-trust exemption if you want everyone to work together. Should be a no-brainer that flies through Congress, right?

 

[CascadeClone]

I also find this incredibly rich for an AD who hasn’t even been in a current power conference for barely a decade yet to be this entitled as far as competition goes. Especially for a program that has had 6 different head coaches in basketball in the last 9 years.

Well, the Big East used to be a power conference. So they were in one, then they weren't. Now they are again. But that was several mega-threads ago now...