Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[1UNI2ISU]

2) There is no incentive for the NFL to further amend the SBA on their end and they aren't losing anything with CFB seeking their amendment. And do really think the Feds would further amend the SBA for the NFL to CFB's detriment shortly after amending it to CFB's significant benefit. Your argument here has no merit.

3) The overall health of college sports supersedes any foolish argument that the SEC and B10 would have in maintaining their advantages especially when the SEC and B10 double/triple their revenues with pooling and rational realignment. As JP recently stated, ADs in the SEC and B10 have no desire to financially destroy any more B12, ACC and G5 schools despite what ESPN and Fox may desire otherwise.

Watch this and get educated:

2) You obviously don't understand the NFLs leverage and power. That is an immensely powerful league run by immensely powerful and politically influential families that have been looking for a way to crack the SBA without being the bad guys. If CFB willingly opens that door, they're run by even dumber people than I thought. An NFL game every Friday night and Noon, 4:00 and 8:00 on Saturday literally kills every college football window and crashes revenue. The NFL is champing at the bit to get that opening.

3) I know that Cody Campbell is your current flavor of the month, I get that you think what he says is gospel. I've read what he wants to do. I don't need to watch an hour and a half of Clay freaking Travis to know what his proposal is. Again, how do you compel entities that have no interest in change to the table?

 

[SolterraCyclone]

2) There is no incentive for the NFL to further amend the SBA on their end and they aren't losing anything with CFB seeking their amendment. And do really think the Feds would further amend the SBA for the NFL to CFB's detriment shortly after amending it to CFB's significant benefit. Your argument here has no merit.

3) The overall health of college sports supersedes any foolish argument that the SEC and B10 would have in maintaining their advantages especially when the SEC and B10 double/triple their revenues with pooling and rational realignment. As JP recently stated, ADs in the SEC and B10 have no desire to financially destroy any more B12, ACC and G5 schools despite what ESPN and Fox may desire otherwise.

Watch this and get educated:

You’re kidding right? You don’t think the NFL would like to offer 3 Saturday games for bid?

 

[isucy86]

It’s not political lip service when there is plenty of evidence to suggest that media revenues will at least double for all of FBS by breaking up the B10/Fox and ESPN/SEC duopoly.

Media revenue will double for the Big10/SEC with their next round of media rights deals beginning 2031 & 2035 respectively. Big10/SEC revenues doubled with their last media rights contracts.

Add in the ability for the SEC & Big10 to continue to add elite programs like FSU, Clemson, ND, etc. and those conferences could further gain a share of FOX, NBC and ESPN's college football investment at the expense of the Big12 & ACC.

The icing is Apple, Amazon, Netflix wanting game inventory to drive subscriptions for their platforms. And the candles on the cake are Apps like Peacock, HBO/Max, ESPN DTC App and FOX One DTC App all wanting inventory to encourage customers to purchase their subscription App.

And you keep calling it a duopoly. Last time I looked, NBC & CBS were paying the Big10 a combined $700M annually to televise Big10 football. And NBC pays Notre Dame $70M annually to televise its 6 home football games. Pretty sure NBC & CBS feel they are making a considerable investement. FOX's investment is only ahead of NBC & CBS because of FOX's televising Big12 games.

 

[cykadelic2]

You’re kidding right? You don’t think the NFL would like to offer 3 Saturday games for bid?

You obviously missed the sentence after the one you bolded.

There is no risk to CFB from the NFL by amending the SBA to CFB's benefit.

 

[isucy86]

1) CBS/Skydance has new ownership who weren't involved in their existing deal with Fox. And their new ownership has made it well known that they will spend more than what they currently do for live sports including the #2 most watched sport in the US. And NBC/Peacock have been actively growing their sports portfolio and have the bandwidth with NBC/Peacock/USA to accommodate an entire conference in addition to ND if they have also have access to CFP rights. Same with Amazon and Apple.

2) Your Point #2 has no merit at all. The NFL won't be impacted by CFB pooling granted under the SBA amendment. In fact, pooling and 7x10 rational realignment would facilitate a CFP format that doesn't conflict with NFL and enable more CFP revenues.

3) LOL, you're intentionally refusing to acknowledge the convincing argument for some strange reason. The convincing argument is doubling/tripling of revenues for SEC and B10 ADs while maintaining a revenue advantage over other conferences. And for sure, ESPN/Fox and their puppets will be against it but not SEC/B10 Presidents/ADs who need the extra money while ESPN/Fox obviously don't want to spend any more money than they have to with additional brand consolidation and significant B12/ACC financial relegation while keeping new entrants essentially out of the CFB space.

And as stated multiple times before, G5s also have the potential of doubling their media revenues with pooling and the added benefit of legitimately competing for national championships like every other NCAA sport.

You fail to see the difference between the NFL and College football. The NFL has 32 teams to share TV money and your proposed 7 division college football would include 70 teams. Hows does it financially benefit the Big10 & SEC's 34 schools by sharing the lion share of the new money you propose from CBS/Skydance, NBC/Peacok, etc. that they will already get?

You fail to under stand why FOX & ESPN encouraged the Big10 and SEC to add USC, UCLA, UO, UW, UT and OU in the recent round of realignment. It's cheaper to pay those 6 schools Big10/SEC media rights values vs. paying the other 16 Big12/Pac12 schools media rights market rates when they came up for renewal a couple years ago. And those economics will continue and lead to the demise ot the ACC as we know it.

Your white knight media money will either play in the deep money Big10/SEC media rights market place. Or look for the value play by investing in the Big12, ACC or G5.

 

[cykadelic2]

Again, how do you compel entities that have no interest in change to the table?

Again, you have your effin head in the sand by claiming they have no interest in change. The FBS interest reported by Dellenger does include SEC and B10 ADs per JP:

 

[isucy86]

You’re kidding right? You don’t think the NFL would like to offer 3 Saturday games for bid?

And if that happened college football would schedule games on Sunday.

It's in both the NFL and college footballs interest to continue to mainly schedule games in a complimentary nature vs. competitive.

 

[Cyclonsin]

And if that happened college football would schedule games on Sunday.

It's in both the NFL and college footballs interest to continue to mainly schedule games in a complimentary nature vs. competitive.

The NFL will crush any CFB game in any window. CFB games on Sunday is absolutely not a threat to the NFL and they're right to salivate over the prospect of Saturday games.

 

[isucy86]

The NFL will crush any CFB game in any window. CFB games on Sunday is absolutely not a threat to the NFL and they're right to salivate over the prospect of Saturday games.

They would do better than CFB but the pool of football fans won't grow. So the NFL would see a drop in viewership vs. today. Currently football fans can be major consumers of both CFB and NFL- watching 3-4 college games and 3-4 NFL games each week.

If its common for games to compete, then some of those major consumers likely become consumers of one level of football vs. both. Personally, I would follow CFB over the NFL because my allegiance is stronger to Iowa State than any pro team.

 

[FinalFourCy]

I’m not going into another debate Cykadelic because he doesn’t speak in reality, only what Cody Campbell says.

But this is bolded part is imo the third biggest threat to CFB today. The NFL absolutely is setting up to challenge that law as is. College football challenging it would do their work for them. The minute the NFL starts putting 2-3 games weekly on Saturday they will cut CFB’s ratings/revenue in half.

You don’t think CBS and NBC are going to help pool the FBS, so that they can pay more for tv rights?

Seems like a good bet.

Interestingly, streaming pooled rights and the SBA has come under fire from Ted Cruz. Tough to see the SBA getting amended, then pool rights behind a streaming subscription wall. Nor would P2 leave for such a setup.


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[1UNI2ISU]

And if that happened college football would schedule games on Sunday.

It's in both the NFL and college footballs interest to continue to mainly schedule games in a complimentary nature vs. competitive.

Which would get slaughtered.

 

[SolterraCyclone]

And if that happened college football would schedule games on Sunday.

It's in both the NFL and college footballs interest to continue to mainly schedule games in a complimentary nature vs. competitive.

That is absolutely 0 concern to the NFL. The NFL moved forward with Saturday games during the first round of CFP games and absolutely smashed them. CFB is not a threat to the NFL in any form

 

[SolterraCyclone]

You obviously missed the sentence after the one you bolded.

There is no risk to CFB from the NFL by amending the SBA to CFB's benefit.

Sorry your first sentence is so wrong it invalidates anything you said after

 

[1UNI2ISU]

Again, you have your effin head in the sand by claiming they have no interest in change. The FBS interest reported by Dellenger does include SEC and B10 ADs per JP:

And you can't face the reality that it's not ADs making these decisions. Jamie and every other AD can go to Dellinger and say whatever they want but at the end of the day, that decision is being made above their pay grade and by people that have more than just athletics in mind.

No president is going to be a willing participant in blowing up 130 years of Big Ten tradition so that Kansas State and Arizona can make more money.

'Sorry Ohio State, I know you like tradition so how about instead of playing league games against Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Illinois like you have for the past 130 years, we get you Kentucky and Cincinnati? Oh and by the way, you're going to subsidize them more than you have the rest of your traditional opponents and we're expanding the pool to 70 schools because Wazzu and Oregon State got their feelings hurt by reality. Just sign right here and initial on line 6'

 

[FriendlySpartan]

And you can't face the reality that it's not ADs making these decisions. Jamie and every other AD can go to Dellinger and say whatever they want but at the end of the day, that decision is being made above their pay grade and by people that have more than just athletics in mind.

No president is going to be a willing participant in blowing up 130 years of Big Ten tradition so that Kansas State and Arizona can make more money.

'Sorry Ohio State, I know you like tradition so how about instead of playing league games against Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Illinois like you have for the past 130 years, we get you Kentucky and Cincinnati? Oh and by the way, you're going to subsidize them more than you have the rest of your traditional opponents and we're expanding the pool to 70 schools because Wazzu and Oregon State got their feelings hurt by reality. Just sign right here and initial on line 6'

“Got their feelings hurt by reality” is an amazing line. Stealing this

 

[SolterraCyclone]

They would do better than CFB but the pool of football fans won't grow. So the NFL would see a drop in viewership vs. today. Currently football fans can be major consumers of both CFB and NFL- watching 3-4 college games and 3-4 NFL games each week.

If its common for games to compete, then some of those major consumers likely become consumers of one level of football vs. both. Personally, I would follow CFB over the NFL because my allegiance is stronger to Iowa State than any pro team.

NFL won’t see a loss in viewership because they’d be providing 3, unique, incremental slots that they don’t currently offer. You take 3, 11 am Sunday games in a shared time slot and move them to their own slot on Saturday and you have a net gain in viewership.

All media companies and the vast majority of casual viewers will choose NFL over CFB. NFL would dominate the OTA slots due to CBS, FOX, ABC, etc. prioritizing NFL over any college game. The war over casual viewers is over as the ratings have shown time and again, they’ll choose NFL over CFB overwhelmingly.

 

[BCClone]

And you can't face the reality that it's not ADs making these decisions. Jamie and every other AD can go to Dellinger and say whatever they want but at the end of the day, that decision is being made above their pay grade and by people that have more than just athletics in mind.

No president is going to be a willing participant in blowing up 130 years of Big Ten tradition so that Kansas State and Arizona can make more money.

'Sorry Ohio State, I know you like tradition so how about instead of playing league games against Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Illinois like you have for the past 130 years, we get you Kentucky and Cincinnati? Oh and by the way, you're going to subsidize them more than you have the rest of your traditional opponents and we're expanding the pool to 70 schools because Wazzu and Oregon State got their feelings hurt by reality. Just sign right here and initial on line 6'

What if the AD says, hey Prez, you okay this and the AD pulls in 20MM per year more. I know the state is slowing down appropriations growth to you so we will kick back 1/3 to half of the gain to the U?

 

[cykadelic2]

And you can't face the reality that it's not ADs making these decisions. Jamie and every other AD can go to Dellinger and say whatever they want but at the end of the day, that decision is being made above their pay grade and by people that have more than just athletics in mind.

No president is going to be a willing participant in blowing up 130 years of Big Ten tradition so that Kansas State and Arizona can make more money.

ADs are more closely aligned with Presidents than Presidents are to Commissioners. And obviously Sankey and Pettit have become ESPN and Fox puppets. If/When there is a majority of SEC/B10 Presidents/ADs who support full FBS media pooling with rational realignment, change will be facilitated. And as you previously stated, Commissioners work at the will of the Presidents.

And your claim that 130 years of B10 tradition would be blown up is childish BS. The core 10-school B10 (likely including PSU; likely minus NW) would remain intact. Same with the core 10-school SEC. Because of that, those 20 schools would be compelled by pooling and rational realignment to double their revenues while maintaining their revenue advantages (with unequal revenue sharing based on TV ratings) and reducing travel expenses for all sports.

 

[BCClone]

ADs are more closely aligned with Presidents than Presidents are to Commissioners. And obviously Sankey and Pettit have become ESPN and Fox puppets. If/When there is a majority of SEC/B10 Presidents/ADs who support full FBS media pooling with rational realignment, change will be facilitated. And as you previously stated, Commissioners work at the will of the Presidents.

And your claim that 130 years of B10 tradition would be blown up is childish BS. The core 10-school B10 (likely including PSU; likely minus NW) would remain intact. Same with the core 10-school SEC. Because of that, those 20 schools would be compelled by pooling and rational realignment to double their revenues while maintaining their revenue advantages (with unequal revenue sharing based on TV ratings) and reducing travel expenses for all sports.

I checked OSU schedule. 5 of their conference games are against the old big 10 schools. So OSU has already said that 130 years of tradition is only important a little over half the time.

 

[cykadelic2]

You fail to see the difference between the NFL and College football. The NFL has 32 teams to share TV money and your proposed 7 division college football would include 70 teams. Hows does it financially benefit the Big10 & SEC's 34 schools by sharing the lion share of the new money you propose from CBS/Skydance, NBC/Peacok, etc. that they will already get?

You fail to under stand why FOX & ESPN encouraged the Big10 and SEC to add USC, UCLA, UO, UW, UT and OU in the recent round of realignment. It's cheaper to pay those 6 schools Big10/SEC media rights values vs. paying the other 16 Big12/Pac12 schools media rights market rates when they came up for renewal a couple years ago. And those economics will continue and lead to the demise ot the ACC as we know it.

Your white knight media money will either play in the deep money Big10/SEC media rights market place. Or look for the value play by investing in the Big12, ACC or G5.

No, you're continuing your failure to understand that with media rights pooling, the entire FBS media revenue pool will double/triple revenues for all FBS schools and thus help the retention of Olympic and non-rev sports throughout the FBS. Poolng works for the NBA and NFL to their extreme benefit and it would work for CFB regardless of the number of teams. Not sure why you're incapable of understanding that. As Campbell and JP have both stated, the new NBA overall contract value is double that of FBS and they got half the viewers.

And everyone here knows why Fox and ESPN have conducted their realignment manipulation and have plans to do more of it. So quit your silly lecturing on that topic.

With 7x10 realignment, the top brands will be spread out amongst the 7 10-team conferences. Combined with CFP access, the value in the rights for those conference will be more evenly distributed making each conference attractive for multiple bidders beyond ESPN and Fox thus driving up the value of the entire 7x10 bundle.