Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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The 3 way merger doesn't suck as much to me but IDK why we're factoring in Clemson, Florida State, and UNC who will obviously never be a part of this
Technically, you are correct. I guess Hammond, IN is the one with the nice butt.
Yeah, the mailing address is in Munster, that area of Indiana is all urban sprawl for the most part. I have been to Gary a couple of times, it is a different world from Hammond and Munster. The freakiest part was this area I had to do a client visit for. The neighborhood surrounding the business was literally crumbling. Roofs caved in, toppled walls on the houses, but a couple of those houses had brand new Mercedes in the driveway. Even compared to parts of Chicago it is a very strange place.
I don't see how those teams getting in to the Big 10/SEC is a given by any stretch. If the Big 10 wanted UW and UO, they'd be in now. If the Big 10/SEC want to kill the P5 structure then sure, but it feels like right now they want to be the big 2 of the P5. Those teams all might help earn slightly more money but are probably pretty close to average value wise for the Big 10 and SEC without a lot of natural rivalries (except Clemson).
Those teams all need media deals (or an increased deal in the ACC's case) right now. A streaming package that includes Big 12, ACC, and Pac games brings a lot of passionate fan bases. Then finding a way to get some bigger matchups like Oregon/Ok St, Cincinnati/Clemson, or Iowa St/FSU to sell. I don't see how those teams can be ok with sticking with the status quo for the next 10 years waiting for an invite. Not sure exactly what it looks like but some sort of arrangement could be very helpful for the next 10 years. Obviously the biggest hurdle to this is the ACC GOR and their relationship with ESPN.
All of those divisions look pretty great for keeping some intensity to rivalries.
In theory they could negotiate all they want. Its just you have to nullify the old contract before signing the new one. Its at THAT period that teams can leave.
No they still have their GoR and their current contract etc. for the PAC
It just is talking about the 30 day exclusive negotiating window with ESPN and Fox that they started a couple weeks ago.
They want to let that go, and open negotiations up with other media companies, because they dont like what ESPN and Fox is telling them.
Edit: in the ACCs case the GoR and media deal are separate.
Edit 2: NvM I reread what you were replying to, I dont think you were talking about what I was thinking.
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Agree, and with overlap with @20eyes reference to schools like UO & UW (maybe Stanford, too, that's kind of a wild card)
If someone (something?) had the power/influence to initiate a mega-bucks near-term 36-team merger that appeases all the "what if" schools more than eventual B10/SEC, then we might have something ... But that's largely fantasyland.
The basic concept is cool, though ... maybe it's more realistic to think of having a 30-team with six 5-team divisions or five 6-team divisions, removing the going-to-bolt elements. That'd require some restructuring of the geographic arrangement.
Yeah, reasons given for no alliance I’ve read is that it opens legal loopholes in the ACC grant of rights. Trying to pull all the remaining 3 conferences absolutely weakens that gor.
Yeah that 3 conference merger would never happen, for a multitude of reasons.
In the end, the high value teams will want to be in the SEC/B1G, the Mid Values in the Big 12 or whatever the 3rd place ends up being. And that 3rd place conference won't want the low value teams in order to maximize its value as much as possible to keep it as close as possible to the SEC/B1G.
And like you said by attempting a merger, all it would do is eliminate the ACC, and in turn eliminate the ACC GoR.
Any Team that is added to the ACC right now has to sign their GoR thru 2036. If its a substantial change they may be able to renegotiate the media deal but not the GoR as it is separate from the Media Contract. But ESPN can argue they will just add another share of their current deal for each add.
The only way they break that GoR is through a dissolution of the conference, or a costly and lengthy court battle.
Well if Cal is so freaking valuable, then why doesn't their value translate to a better media deal for the PAC?
When was the last time anyone on this board or anywhere watched a game featuring Cal? Their own fans don't watch their games. It's obviously a great school, but their football program is a disaster right now.
The Big XII's been well above the PAC in media money for quite some time. And yet it's footprint contains far fewer large cities.
Even with UT & OU leaving, most projections had the new Big XII within a couple million of the PAC in projected media value for the leagues' respective upcoming deals. But that was with UCLA & SC included in the PAC projections.
The whole concept of "value" now pertaining to schools and media deals is being turned on its head.
Eyeballs matter in the streaming era. We've got 'em and lots of schools in larger markets don't. Small and medium market schools with passionate fan bases have way more value than they did in the past.
Outsiders my not know all of that, but I can guarantee that potential media partners know and care, especially streamers.
The perception of ISU from idiot sportswriters and PAC fans et al. will have zero effect on the value of the Big XII's media deal going forward.
Q: What are the chances of unequal revenue sharing? — @hmckee53
A: An imbalanced split of media revenue feels like it is very much on the table. Minimally, it’s being discussed. I suspect Washington, Arizona, Stanford, Cal and ASU feel entitled to larger than an equal share because of their TV markets. I also think Oregon believes its brand merits additional compensation. They all have leverage right now.
6 of the 10 remaining teams all feel like they deserve more than equal revenue.
Yeah, that's not going to math out.
I noticed CU and Utah weren’t part of that, I’m sure they will sign on for that and not come to the Big 12 for more and equal pay. Good business that.
If TV markets are everything then SMU would be in the SEC and Georgia State in the Big 12. Canzano is just thinking like the B1G ten years ago when that was specific to both that conference and that time period.
Just doesn’t make sense. If all of them had leverage they’d have a good TV deal without USC and UCLA.
