Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[Scruff]

Reading message boards of Fl St, Clemson, and Miami... the ACC is toast. There is too different of a pay differential and those teams will be gone. It's not a matter of if it's when. PAC is grasping at straws with the talk of ACC partnership. I find it funny Oregon/Washington are talking out both ends, keeping Pac alive while actively looking to go elsewhere. Ore/Washington might add to our pie, but honestly if they don't come in wanting to be equal to all the big 12 teams, I say leave them. They don't move the pie that much, its not worth keeping the EGO schools around.

 

[JUKEBOX]

I can’t see ESPN reworking the ACC deal; it’s just too biased in their favor.

The PAC 12 Network couldn’t make it work with USC and UCLA; now they’re gone.

I just can’t understand how any PAC/ACC partnership deal can be profitable for both ESPN and the schools. It just seems unsustainable. Which is why I can’t understand why the Mountain 4 aren’t jumping at the chance of the Big 12 lifeboat. The PAC isn’t going to survive long-term … if Notre Dame finally agrees to go B1G, Oregon (and possibly Washington & Stanford, maybe) will join them, and the PAC is dead. If the B1G gets tired of waiting on ND, they get Oregon and Washington … and the PAC is still dead. If the SEC starts poaching the ACC, the B1G joins in and also reaches out to Oregon and Washington, and … PAC dead.

I can see why other Pac schools would want to keep it around on life-support, but I have yet to see a reason why the Mountain schools would be better-off in the Pac 12.

Benefits for Mountain schools in Pac 12:
* More academic prestige
* Preservation of tradition?

Negatives for staying in the Pac 12:
* Instability
* Likely less $$$
* Future dictated by other schools in conference
* Risk of being left out or reduced payouts
* Probably worse management/leadership (viewership and attendance numbers low in Pac)

I don't think these schools really lose any kind of historical rivals either going as a package deal to the Big 12. Utah gains a conference matchup with a rival in BYU and perhaps TCU.

 

[enisthemenace]

Hopefully Joel Klatt is better at this game than Dave Wannstedt was.

Let’s hope. He put out this gem yesterday:

 

[2speedy1]

Hopefully Joel Klatt is better at this game than Dave Wannstedt was.

 

[KidSilverhair]

Let’s hope. He put out this gem yesterday:

“Stronger governance”? Where does he see that?

 

[jdoggivjc]

i think you'd be surprised how low UT attendance is

Imagine how much higher attendance could have been if they didn't waste so much space with a cutout of a uterus in the end zone stands.

 

[Trice]

Let’s hope. He put out this gem yesterday:

He was an astute guy earlier in his broadcasting career. Now...not so much.

He's probably just carrying water for his employer more than offering his own genuine opinion. At least, I hope that's what he's doing.

 

[Acylum]

I think it is an open secret that Arizona and ASU wanted to come here but that was pre-OU and UT leaving.

That’s a fair point, but their conference is hanging by a thread right now and the two schools they don’t like getting pushed around by are still there.

 

[2speedy1]

Let’s hope. He put out this gem yesterday:

How many of these guys are just spewing their boss's propaganda? He gets paid to say this crap. He works for Fox, of course he is going to say its better, his greedy boss, and their greedy conference, 1 of the 2 that are causing it all.

 

[AlaCyclone]

If the Pac stays in tact, it will be left with the same irresolvable tension the Big 12 dealt with for the last decade: two powers at the top of the conference who are unhappy with their place in the world, agitating for more, and will leave at the first good opportunity.

If I'm Yormark, that's my pitch to the Arizona schools, Colorado, and Utah. You can live on the edge for years like we did, be miserable, and ultimately have the bad thing happen anyway. Or you can just end all that and come over here for stability and a modestly higher payout.

I said this before, and I will say this again today - the best thing to happen to the Big Xii is OuT! Good riddance. Cannot wait until we have a Big Xii that just enjoys the competition of playing against one another.

 

[cyclones500]

Let’s hope. He put out this gem yesterday:

He had my attention until he wrote "if you're team."

 

[Trice]

I said this before, and I will say this again today - the best thing to happen to the Big Xii is OuT! Good riddance. Cannot wait until we have a Big Xii that just enjoys the competition of playing against one another.

Someday we might look at all this turbulence as a blessing in disguise. Lots of things have to go our way before we reach that point, though - this round of realignment has to leave us unscathed, the next media deal, the playoff negotiations. But we could end up in a really nice place, minus a couple marquee names on our schedule.

 

[RustShack]

“Stronger governance”? Where does he see that?

Maybe the breakaway from the NCAA accommodates more schools than expected.

 

[WhoISthis]

He was an astute guy earlier in his broadcasting career. Now...not so much.

He's probably just carrying water for his employer more than offering his own genuine opinion. At least, I hope that's what he's doing.

He’s not wrong. For most of the nation it’s a good thing. If I were not an ISU fan, I'd love this change. A more national product with better setup.

On the football side it won’t be too bad for those outside the P2 if we get a consolidation of the other P5s into a single middle class conference that gets two auto berths to CFP. Even just one will do. That’s better access than now while against a conference of peers. I may be MORE interested in ISU football in that setup.

Winning the a Big 12 with Pac6 plus schools like Pitt, Louisville etc from ACC is something I’ll be just as fanatical about as the 30 years I’ve followed ISU

The basketball side is the concern. Namely paying coaches. There is no equalizer of a playoff berth.

NIL was going to be a ***** in any conference configuration

 

[Clonedogg]

I can see why other Pac schools would want to keep it around on life-support, but I have yet to see a reason why the Mountain schools would be better-off in the Pac 12.

Benefits for Mountain schools in Pac 12:
* More academic prestige
* Preservation of tradition?

Negatives for staying in the Pac 12:
* Instability
* Likely less $$$
* Future dictated by other schools in conference
* Risk of being left out or reduced payouts
* Probably worse management/leadership (viewership and attendance numbers low in Pac)

I don't think these schools really lose any kind of historical rivals either going as a package deal to the Big 12. Utah gains a conference matchup with a rival in BYU and perhaps TCU.

The only thing I can fathom is the two you listed, and really having some feeling of duty to the other members of the conference, like OrSt/WaSt, who are toast if they leave.

I do wonder what the average payouts would be if the 4 or 6 Pac schools were added to the Big12, would that average per yr be 45m-55m? What would the payout be if they stayed in the Pac10, 35m-40m per yr? (I know what they WERE getting but it looks like everyone is getting some sort of raise, in this round of negotiations) What makes it worth it to jump conferences 10m, 20m a year? The LA teams got a huge bump, totally worth it.

 

[t-noah]

I have yet to find any message board for a college that is as good as CF.

CF is so far beyond what some of those generic Rival and 247 boards are.

#1 in our hearts and minds.

But yes, show me another school message board that is better, has more passion, more threads and posts. CF is one of a kind.

 

[RustShack]

It seemed like the last rounds, the last one to get a new deal got the most. I think the B1G and SEC will obviously break that mold, but I think every current Big12 schools knows they will make more than the PAC, even if they switched to the PAC.

 

[RustShack]

10- Oregon
22 Oklahoma State
27 Iowa state
28 Cincinnati
30 Baylor
37 Utah
38 Washington
40 West Virginia
41 TCU
42 BYU
45 Tech
46 Stanford
47 Arizona state
50 KState
55 Kansas
59 Washington state
63 UCF
64 Colorado
67 Arizona
69 Oregon state
74 Houston
76 Cal

Average most watched teams in 2021

Honestly I’m surprised how high Kansas is, but I think that’s more due to the Big12 caring/watching more.

 

[2speedy1]

The only thing I can fathom is the two you listed, and really having some feeling of duty to the other members of the conference, like OrSt/WaSt, who are toast if they leave.

I do wonder what the average payouts would be if the 4 or 6 Pac schools were added to the Big12, would that average per yr be 45m-55m? What would the payout be if they stayed in the Pac10, 35m-40m per yr? (I know what they WERE getting but it looks like everyone is getting some sort of raise, in this round of negotiations) What makes it worth it to jump conferences 10m, 20m a year? The LA teams got a huge bump, totally worth it.

I've seen a few reports, say that the Pac 10 offer deal is either 300M or 220M. Everyone has been saying the 300M sounds High, believe someone based that on Oregon/Washington being valued at 30M each and multiplied that by 10. The 220M deal is supposedly what ESPN is offering now that USC/UCLA left.

So either way you look at it they are projected at max 30m, more likely 22M per school per year.

As we stand the projection has us in the Big 12, getting 40-45M after OUT in 2026 in a new deal without adding any Pac schools.

 

[RoseClone]