Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[2speedy1]

Bold of you to assume Oklahoma stays relevant in the SEC enough to have a voice lol

Bold of you to think if they have a few bad years over the next decade they wont be relevant. It will take a quite a few bad years for them to be out of the top 10 in winningest programs in history. Hell Nebby is still in the top ten, and with that comes some pull. I am one that doubts Nebby gets left out of any break away, simply because of their history, and the fact that it still has not been long enough for people to forget what/who they once were.

List of NCAA football teams by wins - Wikipedia

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List of NCAA Football Teams By Wins: Winningest College Football Programs | College Sports Network

The four teams that makeup the 2023-24 College Football Playoffs are among the winningest programs in college football history, including No. 1 Michigan.

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I doubt any P4 school in the top 10 in history get left out, Probably none in the top 20 get left out.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Bold of you to think if they have a few bad years over the next decade they wont be relevant. It will take a quite a few bad years for them to be out of the top 10 in winningest programs in history. Hell Nebby is still in the top ten, and with that comes some pull. I am one that doubts Nebby gets left out of any break away, simply because of their history, and the fact that it still has not been long enough for people to forget what/who they once were.

List of NCAA football teams by wins - Wikipedia

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List of NCAA Football Teams By Wins: Winningest College Football Programs | College Sports Network

The four teams that makeup the 2023-24 College Football Playoffs are among the winningest programs in college football history, including No. 1 Michigan.

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I doubt any P4 school in the top 10 in history get left out, Probably none in the top 20 get left out.

Yeah I’m gonna strongly disagree here, wins over a century ago have almost no relevance to modern football. Nebby again hasn’t been relevant for over a decade.

Again I don’t think a super league is happening anytime soon for a long list of reasons so it’s just semantics.

 

[CyCrazy]

Yeah I’m gonna strongly disagree here, wins over a century ago have almost no relevance to modern football. Nebby again hasn’t been relevant for over a decade.

Again I don’t think a super league is happening anytime soon for a long list of reasons so it’s just semantics.

Nebby hasnt been relevant since 01.

 

[2speedy1]

Yeah I’m gonna strongly disagree here, wins over a century ago have almost no relevance to modern football. Nebby again hasn’t been relevant for over a decade.

Again I don’t think a super league is happening anytime soon for a long list of reasons so it’s just semantics.

So you are saying Oklahoma hasnt won or been relevant in over a century?

I agree if OU goes to being a bottom feeder for the next century, they wont matter, but last I checked none of those in the top 10 on that list have become a bottom feeder for over a century. With that I dont think any of us have a clue what anything will look like a century from now.

But OU getting taken down a peg, to being a mid school in the SEC will not change their relevance for a LONG time. Like I said Nebby is still probably considered a relevant program to those that make the decisions, and as you say they have done nothing for a decade. But that decade has not changed the fact that every year people think they will be "back" and every year people believe they will be.

We all like to hope that OuT will become bottom feeders and lose their relevance, but that is going to take a LOOONG time.

 

[2speedy1]

Nebby hasnt been relevant since 01.

Relevant in the terms of winning Nat championships, I agree.

But relevant in the perception of college football viewers and media execs I would disagree.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

So you are saying Oklahoma hasnt won or been relevant in over a century?

I agree if OU goes to being a bottom feeder for the next century, they wont matter, but last I checked none of those in the top 10 on that list have become a bottom feeder for over a century. With that I dont think any of us have a clue what anything will look like a century from now.

But OU getting taken down a peg, to being a mid school in the SEC will not change their relevance for a LONG time. Like I said Nebby is still probably considered a relevant program to those that make the decisions, and as you say they have done nothing for a decade. But that decade has not changed the fact that every year people think they will be "back" and every year people believe they will be.

We all like to hope that OuT will become bottom feeders and lose their relevance, but that is going to take a LOOONG time.

No I was referring to your all times win list, Oklahoma has been very relevant lately. Oklahoma is primed for a nebby like fall due Texas really isn’t.

 

[ClubCy]

Nebby hasnt been relevant since 01.

Relevant in terms of W/L doesn’t matter in this game. They still average *2.5 million viewers per game despite not playing in any marquee games. If they keep winning they’ll keep getting better time slots and networks and the numbers will probably go higher.

*as of 2022*

 

[2speedy1]

No I was referring to your all times win list, Oklahoma has been very relevant lately. Oklahoma is primed for a nebby like fall due Texas really isn’t.

Yes and I stated even with a Nebby type fall, it will take a long time for them to lose their relevance in the grand scheme of things.

Just as it has taken a long time for Nebby to lose their relevance, and they still hold quite a bit, when you look at the overall picture of contracts and realignment.

 

[2speedy1]

Relevant in terms of W/L doesn’t matter in this game. They still average *2.5 million viewers per game despite not playing in any marquee games. If they keep winning they’ll keep getting better time slots and networks and the numbers will probably go higher.

*as of 2022*

Agree, but I will say those wins for all those years, is what got them to that level and the history of those wins is what keeps them there.

My point was that all of those in the top 10 on that list have the viewership and media value that will continue to hold them there for a long time to come, even with a massive fall in wins in said conference, the viewership and fandom just doesnt go away that fast.

Our Sparty friend thinks that if OU has a few bad years in the SEC they will all the sudden lose any relevance they have in only a few years. But in the overall picture it will take them being a bottom feeder for many many years.

I think we are agreeing, but going about it in separate ways.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Yes and I stated even with a Nebby type fall, it will take a long time for them to lose their relevance in the grand scheme of things.

Just as it has taken a long time for Nebby to lose their relevance, and they still hold quite a bit, when you look at the overall picture of contracts and realignment.

Nebby gets told to sit down and shut up pretty frequently so while I agree with you I think that might just be the old Big12 bias showing. To be fair I have my own bias so you could be right

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Agree, but I will say those wins for all those years, is what got them to that level and the history of those wins is what keeps them there.

My point was that all of those in the top 10 on that list have the viewership and media value that will continue to hold them there for a long time to come, even with a massive fall in wins in said conference, the viewership and fandom just doesnt go away that fast.

Our Sparty friend thinks that if OU has a few bad years in the SEC they will all the sudden lose any relevance they have in only a few years. But in the overall picture it will take them being a bottom feeder for many many years.

I think we are agreeing, but going about it in separate ways.

Oh I think it will take more than a few bad years. But it’s just very likely that they will fall down hard. They also have the issue of not being the only P4 school in the state the way Neb does. Times change fast in college football

 

[1SEIACLONE]

They are in a buy in my man. They aren’t getting a limited share forever, that’s my point. A lot of new programs when added take a reduced share. Rutgers still is due to other issues

How come USC and UCLA did not get a buy in period this round but Oregon and Washington did?

 

[ClubCy]

Agree, but I will say those wins for all those years, is what got them to that level and the history of those wins is what keeps them there.

My point was that all of those in the top 10 on that list have the viewership and media value that will continue to hold them there for a long time to come, even with a massive fall in wins in said conference, the viewership and fandom just doesnt go away that fast.

Our Sparty friend thinks that if OU has a few bad years in the SEC they will all the sudden lose any relevance they have in only a few years. But in the overall picture it will take them being a bottom feeder for many many years.

I think we are agreeing, but going about it in separate ways.

We are agreeing. I’m confident the top 20ish brands are set in stone for the rest of our lifetimes barring an unprecedented 20 year losing collapse or something by someone.

Nebraska hasn’t made a bowl or had a .500 record or better since….2015? 2016? Yet, if there was a draft by the networks with no conference affiliation they would 100% be chosen as in the top 20 or whatever # they want to land on.

 

[Gonzo]

How come USC and UCLA did not get a buy in period this round but Oregon and Washington did?

Nobody's going to suggest a partial share to a program like USC. And UCLA was simply along for the ride, but benefited from the coattails.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

How come USC and UCLA did not get a buy in period this round but Oregon and Washington did?

Because the big ten didn’t really want them.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

Cool, and as someone that went to both Michigan schools I can tell you with absolute certainty that Michigan doesn’t want to move into a super league and go 4-8 every year. Similar to many other power programs, they have all had down periods and the only reason they were able to climb back was due to not playing a super conference schedule. Bama wasn’t Bama for a long time, neither was Georgia, Michigan, etc.

You know that sounds really nice and all, but blue blood programs never think they are going to go 4-8, let alone do it over a period of years. Did the Nebraska fan base ever think they were going to struggle like they have?

The best schools want to play the best schools, and they all think they are going to be the school that wins the games. That is what makes them a blue blood program, and if they lose, then they fire the coach and move on to the next one that will get them what they want. Its crazy, but to think otherwise is wrong and we both know it, does Ohio State, Penn State or Michigan not think they are winning the league year? Have the Michigan fan base given up after getting pasted by Texas, no, they continue to believe that when it all over, they will win the conference or at least be there fighting for the championship.

 

[ClubCy]

How come USC and UCLA did not get a buy in period this round but Oregon and Washington did?

Because the media was deal was not signed and was still being negotiated. When they were added they then went back to table and got more money to get those 2 in at full share. It actually HELPED their negotiations by adding them.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

You know that sounds really nice and all, but blue blood programs never think they are going to go 4-8, let alone do it over a period of years. Did the Nebraska fan base ever think they were going to struggle like they have?

The best schools want to play the best schools, and they all think they are going to be the school that wins the games. That is what makes them a blue blood program, and if they lose, then they fire the coach and move on to the next one that will get them what they want. Its crazy, but to think otherwise is wrong and we both know it, does Ohio State, Penn State or Michigan not think they are winning the league year? Have the Michigan fan base given up after getting pasted by Texas, no, they continue to believe that when it all over, they will win the conference or at least be there fighting for the championship.

The Michigan fan bases 100% has given up on this season. You are talking about things you have no idea about my man. In Michigan’s dark days you could get into the stadium just by buying a Pepsi no ticket required. You legit don’t get it.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

Because the big ten didn’t really want them.

Then why are they playing in the B10 if the league did not want them? They had them over a barrel and took advantage of the situation, that is what the league does. Use its money and its academic standing to get teams to do what they want at are reduced rate if necessary. Nothing wrong with that, but you are like a lot of B10 fans thinking you and the conference is above all this unequal revenue sharing, when you are doing it now.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

The Michigan fan bases 100% has given up on this season. You are talking about things you have no idea about my man. In Michigan’s dark days you could get into the stadium just by buying a Pepsi no ticket required. You legit don’t get it.

BS, they are coming off a national championship season, they have not given up, no fan of a blue blood program gives up on a season. They may not win the title again, but its not like they are going to 4-8 either.