Why? You don’t want to play more members in conference?
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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I mean.. who knows what UCF can turn into with solid money coming in. We've made significant strides with the cash flow we've taken on. I'm guessing they'll do the same. Could turn out quite well though I hate the geographic side of them in this conference.
Why is it every time I go on Twitter I want to pop in a weed gummy…..I wonder??
I still think UCF is a sleeping Giant right now. Huge student body, Good basketball gym, new stadium, central location in one of the biggest recruiting states. Other state teams (Miami, Florida State, and Florida) not quite as powerful as they were 20 years ago. The football team is already pretty solid foundation. Now they have the big 12 and 31 million a year. Might be 5-10 years but I could see them being a really solid foe.
We take Arizona or Utah. Wash/Oregon become the new Texas/OU. They will add San Diego St and UNLV to the PAC and after a couple of years Oregon, Cal, Stanford and Washington jump to Big 10. ASU, Utah, Oregon St and Wazzu join the Big 12.
On it's own it's not. It's when you factor in everything that it becomes a big blow. The big thing remains the lack of a media deal. And forget one that is even comparable with the Big 12 - one comparable with the ACC probably isn't even in sight, which is why you have all of them wishfully thinking for a merger with the ACC. So not only do you not have a media deal in place, but you also have to contend with GORs from conference for teams you want to backfill your own conference. Your two conferences are probably going to be the MWC and AAC. Everybody already knows what kind of a nightmare it's going to be attempting to pull teams from the MWC based on what happened when SDSU attempted to leave just a few weeks ago. And while you had 3 teams readily jump from the AAC to the Big 12, it's because they knew with certainty that what they were going to get from the Big 12, even at a reduced rate, was going to be worth paying the exit fee. You can't make that claim with the PAC because any school that makes that jump would be doing so into a total unknown.
Now, if it was just CU, they might have been able to work with SDSU. But Arizona jumping is a second hole - what other school is willing to risk falling into the abyss when all is said and done the media deal that the PAC finally works out isn't significantly better than what the MWC or AAC have... and whatever school you landed had to pay exorbitant exit fees to make that jump?
IMO that's why Arizona leaving the PAC is an unmitigable disaster for them.
I think it's just more delicate than CU because of that and some other things, not a problem any more than it was a problem for OU to leave OKState behind.
I've been talking to someone connected with AZ and it seems the vast majority of influential forces there are strongly for B12 and have been for quite a while. I think with ASU and Utah the rivalry has gotten in their way to their own detriment. It's not unlike when people force themselves onto opposite sides politically by reflex, sometimes everybody should be on the same side of an issue even if it means getting cozy with rivals.
AZ loves the idea of getting into an elite basketball conference and they lost the one elite hoops conference rival they had. There's nothing holding them back.
Hell - if the SEC or Big 10 don't want them, they will be a Big 12 school Guarantee that.
Maybe, but then our $32 million goes to $28 million. Media is not paying for ISU to backfill a game with Eastern Michigan.
What I will agree with is that it was so stupid for the Big 12, PAC, and B1G to agree to expanding the CFP to 12 teams without the caveat that every conference play 9 games and every team has to play 10 P5 games to be eligible. Why we let the SEC off with their 8 conference game crap is bonkers. We had the votes.
Hahaha if this thread is any indication the Big12 will be a 30 team league with all the names thrown around
I'm sure the world's best beat writers have better sources but I have been hearing very likely from AZ people for quite a while.
It'll be a deal where it's out of their control if they can't join, not because they don't want to join the premier hoops conference.
I feel it's pretty basic. Pac schools first desire is to stay together. Can't blame them, other than Utah, all the schools have been together over 40 years. That's a lot of history to walk away from. So they are going to give GK every chance to present a deal.
Each school likely has their own deadline for seeing media rights pricing. Influenced heavily on what their other options/ aspirations are: Big10, SEC or Big12.
I can understand why maybe with all this going on your wouldn't be as excited about UCF and Houston, but I think it's all part of the process. Growing made us more appealing for our TV deal, and has lead us to be in a better position now seeking out new members. I'm not sure we get there without adding those 4.
WVU has no interest in the ACC. It did when the BE collapsed bc WVU was on its own.
The new AD was on a podcast (3 guys before the game) a month ago, and said WVU has zero interest in the ACC now. He basically said the elites in the ACC have always considered WVU a lesser university based on academics and culture and would never invite WVU unless desperate.
He said WVU has found a home with universities of a similar culture, and is no longer desperate, and hence has zero interest in the ACC.
I think the timing of your media deal was a much bigger factor then adding UCF and Houston. If the conferences were switched I’m not sure the Big12 gets their media deal today. I hope the best for those teams but 3/4 teams you added could very well be bottom feeders for years to come. The east wins are nice though.
Don't forget their National Championship.
CycloneErik
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Not really a bad look. There are 2 conferences on top, then the rest of us.
It only looks bad for the worst of the leftover conferences. That probably isn't us yet.
Yeah, I probably should have bumped WVU above Colorado in my "most Big 12 of all time" rankings. Colorado should get more of a ding for leaving.
Revised:
T1: ISU, KU, KSU, OKSt
T2: Baylor, Tech, TCU
T3: WVU
T4: Colorado
T5: Houston
T6: BYU, Cincy, UCF
