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I've decided that the clean up from the feast is exercise. I'm breaking a sweat moving everything and cleaning it. So, I can have the third cookie, right? :)
 
cyrocksmypants said:
My personal stance is that with the wide variety of meats already produced and available, it's mostly a tool these days used by people that get their rocks off by killing living things. They call it sport, I call it slightly sociopathic.

Not saying that's the case with everyone. Just a general statement.
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I don't have a problem with hunting game if it will be consumed, or fishing for that matter. I like grouse & pheasant; you can't get those in the grocery store. I also like venison.

Where I have a problem is trophy hunting...shooting something so that you can put its head up on your wall. That, I would equate to what you allude to above. I never had a problem with the antler tree at the ranch, because we got some very tasty jerky and sausage from the deer that owned those antlers...and many of the antlers were shed antlers that we found when out walking.

If I remember correctly, you're a vegetarian, or vegan, or some such thing, yes? Your POV may differ from mine due in large part to that fact.
 
00clone said:
You're focusing on the hunter, but what about the animal? I'm not a big fan of pheasant hunting in Iowa because it's a non-native species, and generally has good population control because of that. However, whitetail are natural species to Iowa and we've removed their natural predators in this environment, thus they have no population control. With that, unless you're gonna start developing deer condoms or 'the deer pill', hunting is the only viable population control other than re-introducing predators. My annoyance comes from the 'it's so mean to kill a deer'...but it's actually more humane when done appropriately than letting the population get out of control and collapse when an illness finds a nice vulnerable dense population.
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I agree with this. Without hunting can you imagine how many more car accidents there could be in rural Iowa towns?
 
Taxidermied animals involve nothing but the hide and rack...the rest is fake. So, one could argue that unless you tanned the hide and used it in some manner, the hunter who makes a mount is using more of the animal than your family did harvesting meat.
 
00clone said:
Taxidermied animals involve nothing but the hide and rack...the rest is fake. So, one could argue that unless you tanned the hide and used it in some manner, the hunter who makes a mount is using more of the animal than your family did harvesting meat.
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Is this a response to me? I'm referring to seeing headless carcasses in the wild. I have no problem with shooting to obtain meat and a trophy. I have a problem with shooting something, taking its head and leaving the meat to rot in the field.
 
ImJustKCClone said:
Is this a response to me? I'm referring to seeing headless carcasses in the wild. I have no problem with shooting to obtain meat and a trophy. I have a problem with shooting something, taking its head and leaving the meat to rot in the field.
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Oh, yeah, that's abhorable. I've never seen it, but a friend of mine who has several trophy mounts harvests all his meat and unless it's a trophy sized buck, he lets them pass and takes does because it's better population control.
 
00clone said:
You're focusing on the hunter, but what about the animal? I'm not a big fan of pheasant hunting in Iowa because it's a non-native species, and generally has good population control because of that. However, whitetail are natural species to Iowa and we've removed their natural predators in this environment, thus they have no population control. With that, unless you're gonna start developing deer condoms or 'the deer pill', hunting is the only viable population control other than re-introducing predators. My annoyance comes from the 'it's so mean to kill a deer'...but it's actually more humane when done appropriately than letting the population get out of control and collapse when an illness finds a nice vulnerable dense population.
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I definitely don't want to make it cave worthy, and don't have any hatred or anything towards those who do, but WE'RE the ones that eliminated their natural predators. Sounds more like a We problem than a Them problem. Also, if you REALLY wanted to get in to a debate, you could argue that humans are the most over-populated animals in the world. But few are legitimately suggesting human hunts to control it.
 
cyrocksmypants said:
I definitely don't want to make it cave worthy, and don't have any hatred or anything towards those who do, but WE'RE the ones that eliminated their natural predators. Sounds more like a We problem than a Them problem. Also, if you REALLY wanted to get in to a debate, you could argue that humans are the most over-populated animals in the world. But few are legitimately suggesting human hunts to control it.
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Yes, but then...so we re-introduce predators?
 
how many days in a row is it ok to sleep at your desk? external internet is down this afternoon but internal is up...otherwise I'd be sol. but seriously, you can't finnd documents to organize or something? three days has to be excessive.
 
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