The optics on these moves are always in the context of whether they’ve won or not.
Prohm to Alabama?
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The optics on these moves are always in the context of whether they’ve won or not.
But that's bad for the program. It's great for Fred and Tim. But I don't care about them. No program can be long term successful without stability. It doesn't matter why we don't have stability, but the fact is that we don't have it.
Name me a program that has less stability than we do. We are very lucky that the coach you wanted fired a few weeks ago, has been able to keep things going somewhat, but will the next guy? Who the hell knows.
What’s bad for the program?
No one is arguing turnover is optimal, but that’s not the same as suggesting we’ve had a lot bad turnover, or that no one wants to stay. Again 2 coaches leaving in 40 years isn’t bad for the program, it’s the bad hires and having an alcoholic coach that’s bad for the program. Texas Tech just went to the Elite Eight last year and won the Big 12 this year while on their 7th coach in less than 23 years. They probably have a jsb on their talking about how it cannot be real, because turnover.
We didn’t “greatly luck out” with Prohm. Most coaches will have success here.
I feel the same about Prohm today as I did a few weeks ago. If anything more certain that my opinion of his performance this year was accurate. I know you and a couple others like to put things in discrete boxes, and that limits your comprehension.
List of dudes in what I consider the modern era, aka anything I can remember on my own! Only one coach left us for another college and he was on the verge of being fired so that's a big asterisk. Nobody has used us as a college to college "stepping stone".
Glen Anderson – fired
Maury John – resigned because of cancer
Ken Trickey – fired
Lynn Nance – fired
Johnny Orr – “retired” aka forced out
Tim Floyd – dumped us for NBA shiny bobble and failed at next stop
Larry Eustachy – fired
Wayne Morgan – fired
Greg McDermott – bailed before we fired him
Fred Hoiberg – dumped us for NBA shiny bobble and failed at next stop
Steve Prohm - TBD but hoping he's our next Orr as far as wanting to be here and succeeding enough to warrant a long stay.
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The irony of this is stunning. And the lack of understanding of language is also sadly humorous
No reason to disagree or sound info but don't agree that Otz is next man in. In before the "why?" .....just a gut feeling. CSP will be here hopefully.
Tim - upgraded to the NBA (however was using ISU as a stepping stone)
Larry - wanted to stay, fired due to boozing
Wayne - wanted to stay, fired due to performance
Chewie - downgraded to Creighton, however would have been fired
Mayor - upgraded to the NBA
Steve - TBD
While I agree with you about wanting stability and we ISU fans get touchy on coaching changes as we're always externally viewed as a stepping stone, I don't think the outcomes of the coaches who left (even if you include Johnny due to retirement) support the stepping stone point yet.
I don't care about the stepping stone thing. What I am saying is that it is very hard to become an elite program without consistency with the coach.
We had fans on here 10 days ago ******** abut our current coach and the fact that he hadn't bested the previous coach yet. But you can't have coaching changes without growing pains. If we ever have another coach that lasts for more than 5 years, then we can expect more. But without it, in the best cases, we can expect what we are getting (which is pretty good) in going to the NCAA tournament.
Here's a thought: instead of giving Randy what he wants and wasting our time on this, let's celebrate the tourney and enjoy our game tonight.
Because Pitino is coaching in ******* Greece right now and Altman is a midwest guy who doesn't make that much money in the worst p6 conference in the NCAA?
If Prohm were to leave...I hope JP would be open to a coaching search and not just hire TJ. Nate Oats would be a perfect fit. The Matt Campbell of basketball. Here is a link from a few years ago when Iowa State fans raised money for his wife.
https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/th...the-family-of-buffalo-coach-nate-oats.211574/
https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/th...the-family-of-buffalo-coach-nate-oats.211574/
Yeah, this much is obvious.
Some of that turnover happens on the positive end (coach has so much success someone else puts up a lot of money to steal them) some of it comes on the negative end (they suck and get fired). We can't do much on the positive end other than raise more money, but on the negative end, at least part of that is probably because of our lower-budget hiring. You're always somewhat rolling the dice when you hire a coach, but some coaches are more of a gamble than others, and are priced accordingly. We've tended, as a lower budget school, to tend towards more risky 'up and coming' type coaches, because we havent been able to afford more 'sure thing' coaching hires. Of course, higher turnover can make this more costly in the long run than just hiring someone that works out.
As we have increasingly more money if we want to sustain success we probably need to be casting nets in a more 'sure thing' sort of way if we can.
If prohm were to leave I think we'd probably be fine with Otz, but i also think a normal process should be followed just to cast the net and see who's available.
Why spend the money? Otz is the guy, and he'll be good. Prohm staying would be good too.
Because you never know if there might be someone better and more proven until you do the search. You never know who's looking. Hell, look at how we got Orr back in the day.
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