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Cyched

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Cyched said:
I'm typically a Prohm defender. But my one complaint with him is that he's usually slow to tinker. Should have left Conditt in at the end yesterday. I think he was going with what he felt comfortable with (starters with Lindell rotating in and out) vs. looking at the game George was having.

It wasn't the fact that we lost yesterday, it was the way we lost. Was like having a flashback to the McD years (I'm not equating the two, I think Prohm is better than Greg).

Hopefully Coach and the team get it turned around soon. But yesterday sucked.
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@CloniesForLife Why is this "creative?"
 
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awd4cy said:
In games decided by 5 or fewer or overtime.

Hoiberg 25-21
Prohm 12-20

8 of Hoibergs came in year 1 with what little McDermott left. Hoiberg was very good in close games.
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Not sure there is a lot of point in comparing Hoiberg and Prohm since there was never a choice between one or the other but Prohm's numbers are important. He is slow to act and doesn't do well in responding to the flow of the game. Many of us continue to wonder when we will see even a slightly creative in bounds play on the offensive end. It seems like we have 2 plays we run over and over that are very easy to defend and usually end up lobbing the ball out near half court.
 
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Cyclad said:
Respectfully disagree. Conditt needed to be in at the end to defend the rim. We knew they would drive it to the bucket. Huge Jacobson fan, but he cannot defend the rim.
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It would have been tough for Conditt to defend the rim on the last possession since he would have been involved in the pick and roll. Just like Jacobson was.
 
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Rural said:
The ball went off of them, did they even look at it?
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2:22 left. Only review "off who" calls in last 2 minutes. Ridiculous that outside ref came in and reversed the call that he could not have seen.
 
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stateofmind said:
I think many forget how many close games Fred lost. Many were saying the same things.
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Sure thing on this.
Something that came up yesterday was CSP's record in close games....where does that stack up vs. other coaches?

Hoiberg's record wasn't incredible....that said how did it compare? More just curious. I was hardly comfortable with a close lead under CFH due to situational stuff but I wonder what was different if he in fact had a good record in close games. Or even Floyd, Larry, etc. even with their total fails.
 
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  1. The poor coaching is not just at the end of the game. I think Prohm is a good recruiter.
    1. No offensive plays other than a high screen pick and roll. We do not have any motion offense with back picks, rubs, or L cuts. If you do not have the ball or are not the post setting the high pick, there is little motion or help getting open shots. All we do is high pick and roll and pass the ball around the outside. This is most evident at the end of the game, we do not have a motion offense to run. All we have is a guard dribbling out front letting the clock run down and then set an on-ball pick and drive the lane. This worked when you had Morris. It is not working now. This was the basic offense my kids ran for me when they were in grade school.
    2. We rarely pass the ball to the post on the block. Yesterday, I do not remember one time where we passed the ball to a post on the block while the post was posting up. We had pick and rolls and rim running where we passed to the post. I am not saying our posts are great with their backs to the basket, but at least we could do some inside out plays or ball reversals through the post. Our best 3 point shooting is on inside out plays. However, yesterday, the only inside out plays we had was when the guards drove the lane and passed out. Yes, that worked. But we need more options. We hardly ever run inside out plays through the post. The bad part about this is that I do not know how Prohm will recruit further post players if you do not pass the ball to them inside. If I was a high school post player, I would not look at ISU as I wouldn't want to be used mostly for setting picks. Watch Iowa yesterday, they consistently pounded the ball inside. We did not do it once!
    3. No out of bounds plays that get a layup. We barely get the ball in bounds, let alone score.
  2. I agree that the coach cannot make the 3 or free throws at the end of the game. If he would fix the stuff above, it may not come to this.
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This! We're too easy to defend. It's 4 guys watching while one player tries to go one-on-one. It's maddening! It's the same crap McDoormat used to run and the same thing that just got Alford fired at UCLA.
 
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tyler24 said:
You could tell this is what prohm saw... He even opted to put Lindell at the point late in the game to drive and kick, but our guards didn't always make the best decisions on when to try and finish and when to kick it out.
I thought the worst decision was to put Jacobson in for Conditt late. The thing I will never understand is Prohm's substitutions. It seems like he often pulls the players who are playing well and puts in a non factor instead.
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Yeah if the idea was offense how was MJ better for offense if Conditt was actually showing a better fit for matching up with KSU?
 
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mdk2isu said:
It would have been tough for Conditt to defend the rim on the last possession since he would have been involved in the pick and roll. Just like Jacobson was.
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His length and recovery wouldn't have allowed Brown to jump, turn and square up directly for a chip shot like that though.
 
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as a long time fan, I almost kind of enjoy watching so many fans freakout online.

i mean when major contributors spend the off season/pre season either injured or suspended, you just can't snap your fingers and have everything work just fine.

we have a talented team and a great coach. I like our chances going forward.
 
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Rural said:
He's the one that did it?

The ball went off of them, did they even look at it?
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It was before the 2 minute mark therefore non reviewable. According to BB rule knowing people (not me referencing the person I asked).
 
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