Pollard and Wrestling

CF gonna CF. If wrestling is someone’s #1 passion, this post absolutely makes sense and even if you don’t know the background OP time is clearly humble, sincere and honoring.

ISU has two of the best individual wrestling stories in Dan and Cael. Yet in the last 20 years fell off into a middling program. That’s been under Jamie’s AD leadership. Like it or not that’s just a fact.

Wrestling fans have to be a bit frustrated that those two alumni went on to build juggernauts at our instate rival and pedo state.

This pov captures that frustration while getting excited and hopeful about the future under Dresser and honors JP for his new commitment and aggressive goal for the sport they love.

#imnotgonnareadallofthat
I dont think you can blame most of this on Pollard. I honestly dont know what wrestling fans have to complain about, seems Pollard has done what he can for the program.

1st, Gable, was LONG before Pollard.
2nd, ISU was falling back before Pollard too.
3rd, wrestling for what its worth is still a sport that is a money loser, in a time that a lot of schools dropped the program all together, ISU maintained it, and gradually built it.
4th, Wrestling fans thinking there is going to be close to the investment in the sport to others that bring more revenue etc is delusional.
5th, Cael was not going to stay at ISU, we had no shot at keeping him.
6th you can complain all you want about the above and others, but in the end, ISU has invested as much or more in wrestling, than 99% of schools in the country. This facility will probably put them in the top or very close in wrestling investment and facilities.
7th, There is no way we can do everything all at once for every sport. Pollard has done a pretty good job of spreading it around and working to improve facilities for every sport as time as went on.
8th, wrestling fans should consider, that there are only a few schools as full members of the B12, as well as SEC, PAC, ACC etc that still have wrestling. There is a reason we have schools like Utah Valley and UNI in the B12 for wrestling.
9th, finally, think about fans in other sports that are not rev generators, how much have we invested in Gymnastics, swimming, Volleyball, etc over the years? Not much. How about Baseball, Mens Gymnastics, Mens Swimming, etc. You can blame title 9, but in the end, many schools dropped Wrestling along with those sports for title 9, and ISU is actually short on mens sports, and could add back or add a new sport for men without worrying about title 9, so its not just title 9, its money etc.

One last thing, compare attendance at Iowa State, ISU is third in the country in attendance but averages less than Half of Iowa and Penn St. at less than 5k. which is also less than half of ISU womens BBall. And I am sure if any Wrestling fans wanted to put their money where their mouth is and earmark a few million dollar donation for the wrestling program it would go a long way to getting everything they want. I am guessing the biggest complaints come from those whose investment in the program is minimal.

I think we all would love ISU to invest $millions in every sport, and be the top program, in every sport, and have every sport we are a fan of, but at the end of the day, there is only so much money to go around, and in sports that are dwindling around the country that are not revenue generating, they are going to have to wait for their turn.
 
What women’s sport will we add to go with it? Hockey? Equestrian?
We are ahead in title 9 so we can add a mens sport without needing a womens. We are actually short on mens sports, but title 9 only cares about having enough womens sports, not mens.

There is a decent chance we add more womens sports in the future, very unlikely we add any mens.

Womens sports that are increasing:
Wrestling
LaCrosse
Rowing
Beach Volleyball (schools are building indoor sand volleyball facilities)

Most mens sports are decreasing, the only mens sports I could guess that could be added, is Baseball, or Hockey, and if we added mens hockey we probably would add womens too, so it would cancel each out.
 
We are ahead in title 9 so we can add a mens sport without needing a womens. We are actually short on mens sports, but title 9 only cares about having enough womens sports, not mens.

There is a decent chance we add more womens sports in the future, very unlikely we add any mens.

Womens sports that are increasing:
Wrestling
LaCrosse
Rowing
Beach Volleyball (schools are building indoor sand volleyball facilities)

Most mens sports are decreasing, the only mens sports I could guess that could be added, is Baseball, or Hockey, and if we added mens hockey we probably would add womens too, so it would cancel each out.

Disagree on men’s sports adds. If you going to add a men’s sport, add it to facilities we already have; soccer, swimming, gymnastics, and volleyball. No upfront investment in facilities are needed.
 
Last season was my first season in which I got season tickets. Matches are intense and I really enjoyed going to meets. The investment I am seeing in the sport has me pumped. You can think whatever you want about Pollard, but you can't deny how our major sports have grown under his leadership. I don't agree with him on some things, but his leadership has been vital to our success.
 
I dont think you can blame most of this on Pollard. I honestly dont know what wrestling fans have to complain about, seems Pollard has done what he can for the program.

1st, Gable, was LONG before Pollard.
2nd, ISU was falling back before Pollard too.
3rd, wrestling for what its worth is still a sport that is a money loser, in a time that a lot of schools dropped the program all together, ISU maintained it, and gradually built it.
4th, Wrestling fans thinking there is going to be close to the investment in the sport to others that bring more revenue etc is delusional.
5th, Cael was not going to stay at ISU, we had no shot at keeping him.
6th you can complain all you want about the above and others, but in the end, ISU has invested as much or more in wrestling, than 99% of schools in the country. This facility will probably put them in the top or very close in wrestling investment and facilities.
7th, There is no way we can do everything all at once for every sport. Pollard has done a pretty good job of spreading it around and working to improve facilities for every sport as time as went on.
8th, wrestling fans should consider, that there are only a few schools as full members of the B12, as well as SEC, PAC, ACC etc that still have wrestling. There is a reason we have schools like Utah Valley and UNI in the B12 for wrestling.
9th, finally, think about fans in other sports that are not rev generators, how much have we invested in Gymnastics, swimming, Volleyball, etc over the years? Not much. How about Baseball, Mens Gymnastics, Mens Swimming, etc. You can blame title 9, but in the end, many schools dropped Wrestling along with those sports for title 9, and ISU is actually short on mens sports, and could add back or add a new sport for men without worrying about title 9, so its not just title 9, its money etc.

One last thing, compare attendance at Iowa State, ISU is third in the country in attendance but averages less than Half of Iowa and Penn St. at less than 5k. which is also less than half of ISU womens BBall. And I am sure if any Wrestling fans wanted to put their money where their mouth is and earmark a few million dollar donation for the wrestling program it would go a long way to getting everything they want. I am guessing the biggest complaints come from those whose investment in the program is minimal.

I think we all would love ISU to invest $millions in every sport, and be the top program, in every sport, and have every sport we are a fan of, but at the end of the day, there is only so much money to go around, and in sports that are dwindling around the country that are not revenue generating, they are going to have to wait for their turn.
Ok I’m really not gonna read that. He didn’t blame Pollard. I don’t blame pollard. It became mid. ISU has seen their golden boys go elsewhere and build dynasties.

That’s frustrating.

Dresser has rough some identity that’s been missing. Fans respond. Pollard commits.

It’s solid, positive post.
 
I dont think you can blame most of this on Pollard. I honestly dont know what wrestling fans have to complain about, seems Pollard has done what he can for the program.

1st, Gable, was LONG before Pollard.
2nd, ISU was falling back before Pollard too.
3rd, wrestling for what its worth is still a sport that is a money loser, in a time that a lot of schools dropped the program all together, ISU maintained it, and gradually built it.
4th, Wrestling fans thinking there is going to be close to the investment in the sport to others that bring more revenue etc is delusional.
5th, Cael was not going to stay at ISU, we had no shot at keeping him.
6th you can complain all you want about the above and others, but in the end, ISU has invested as much or more in wrestling, than 99% of schools in the country. This facility will probably put them in the top or very close in wrestling investment and facilities.
7th, There is no way we can do everything all at once for every sport. Pollard has done a pretty good job of spreading it around and working to improve facilities for every sport as time as went on.
8th, wrestling fans should consider, that there are only a few schools as full members of the B12, as well as SEC, PAC, ACC etc that still have wrestling. There is a reason we have schools like Utah Valley and UNI in the B12 for wrestling.
9th, finally, think about fans in other sports that are not rev generators, how much have we invested in Gymnastics, swimming, Volleyball, etc over the years? Not much. How about Baseball, Mens Gymnastics, Mens Swimming, etc. You can blame title 9, but in the end, many schools dropped Wrestling along with those sports for title 9, and ISU is actually short on mens sports, and could add back or add a new sport for men without worrying about title 9, so its not just title 9, its money etc.

One last thing, compare attendance at Iowa State, ISU is third in the country in attendance but averages less than Half of Iowa and Penn St. at less than 5k. which is also less than half of ISU womens BBall. And I am sure if any Wrestling fans wanted to put their money where their mouth is and earmark a few million dollar donation for the wrestling program it would go a long way to getting everything they want. I am guessing the biggest complaints come from those whose investment in the program is minimal.

I think we all would love ISU to invest $millions in every sport, and be the top program, in every sport, and have every sport we are a fan of, but at the end of the day, there is only so much money to go around, and in sports that are dwindling around the country that are not revenue generating, they are going to have to wait for their turn.
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I dont think you can blame most of this on Pollard. I honestly dont know what wrestling fans have to complain about, seems Pollard has done what he can for the program.

1st, Gable, was LONG before Pollard.
2nd, ISU was falling back before Pollard too.
3rd, wrestling for what its worth is still a sport that is a money loser, in a time that a lot of schools dropped the program all together, ISU maintained it, and gradually built it.
4th, Wrestling fans thinking there is going to be close to the investment in the sport to others that bring more revenue etc is delusional.
5th, Cael was not going to stay at ISU, we had no shot at keeping him.
6th you can complain all you want about the above and others, but in the end, ISU has invested as much or more in wrestling, than 99% of schools in the country. This facility will probably put them in the top or very close in wrestling investment and facilities.
7th, There is no way we can do everything all at once for every sport. Pollard has done a pretty good job of spreading it around and working to improve facilities for every sport as time as went on.
8th, wrestling fans should consider, that there are only a few schools as full members of the B12, as well as SEC, PAC, ACC etc that still have wrestling. There is a reason we have schools like Utah Valley and UNI in the B12 for wrestling.
9th, finally, think about fans in other sports that are not rev generators, how much have we invested in Gymnastics, swimming, Volleyball, etc over the years? Not much. How about Baseball, Mens Gymnastics, Mens Swimming, etc. You can blame title 9, but in the end, many schools dropped Wrestling along with those sports for title 9, and ISU is actually short on mens sports, and could add back or add a new sport for men without worrying about title 9, so its not just title 9, its money etc.

One last thing, compare attendance at Iowa State, ISU is third in the country in attendance but averages less than Half of Iowa and Penn St. at less than 5k. which is also less than half of ISU womens BBall. And I am sure if any Wrestling fans wanted to put their money where their mouth is and earmark a few million dollar donation for the wrestling program it would go a long way to getting everything they want. I am guessing the biggest complaints come from those whose investment in the program is minimal.

I think we all would love ISU to invest $millions in every sport, and be the top program, in every sport, and have every sport we are a fan of, but at the end of the day, there is only so much money to go around, and in sports that are dwindling around the country that are not revenue generating, they are going to have to wait for their turn.
While I agree with the bolded, I really don’t think this is the place to complain about that. This forum specifically has done a ton financially for the program.

We do what we can. Why don’t you just drop a couple million for the wrestling program if it’s that easy.
 
My favorite threads are the ones where the football and basketball fans come and tell us how sport work.
I don’t always agree with you crablegs, but this post made me smile! And I enjoy football and basketball.

there is room for all of us.
 
While I agree with the bolded, I really don’t think this is the place to complain about that. This forum specifically has done a ton financially for the program.

We do what we can. Why don’t you just drop a couple million for the wrestling program if it’s that easy.
Pretty sure you misunderstand that part. Im not here complaining that the wrestling program doesnt get enough. I am saying those that are/do complain about Pollard and the support one sport or the other get, should either give or figure out where to get the $millions needed for what they want.

I dont think I am here complaining about any sport not getting support, I give what I can and then some, and I accept that Pollard is doing the best he can with what he has.

Sure I dream about this upgrade or that sport coming to ISU etc, but I dont blame Pollard for those wants and dreams. Just hope some day they happen. That is a bit different then what some people complain about the AD and Pollard.
 
Pretty sure you misunderstand that part. Im not here complaining that the wrestling program doesnt get enough. I am saying those that are/do complain about Pollard and the support one sport or the other get, should either give or figure out where to get the $millions needed for what they want.

I dont think I am here complaining about any sport not getting support, I give what I can and then some, and I accept that Pollard is doing the best he can with what he has.

Sure I dream about this upgrade or that sport coming to ISU etc, but I dont blame Pollard for those wants and dreams. Just hope some day they happen. That is a bit different then what some people complain about the AD and Pollard.
I think you went left ditch when you claimed that you didn’t understand what wrestling fans were complaining about.

In what was meant to be a positive wrestling thread!
 
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I think you went left ditch when you claimed that you didn’t understand what wrestling fans were complaining about.

In what was meant to be a positive wrestling thread!
Where did I say "I didnt understand what wrestling fans were complaining about" ? I said they are getting less and less things to complain about, and that their complaints were many mostly misplaced.
 
My favorite threads are the ones where the football and basketball fans come and tell us how sport work.
You get 6 points for a cross goal, 1 or 2 for riding time depending if you use your legs or shoot an attempt at a double.
 

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