If we had a championship game and our better team can't beat the other, then the better team doesn't deserve the playoff.
Bring back champ game.
Bring back champ game.
Please please please bring back big12 title game
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Tom Osborne said on the radio that he averages 40 hours a week working on the selections.
If you rewind the clock about 5 years right now, 13-0 #1 Clemson and 12-0 #2 Iowa are atop the BCS standings and getting ready to meet in the national championship game. The B1G title game and playoff changed it all.
If it wasn't Oklahoma this year, Stanford or Ohio State or somebody would have knocked the B12 out.
My guess is that voting behavior changes pretty significantly post-playoff. When the "cutoff" is 4 instead of 2, voters feel more comfortable keeping an undefeated Power 5 team out of the top 2 spots.
Agree. Need to add two "northish" type teams. Nobody seems to care that Iowa plays in a mid major division in the Big 10 West. I want ISU to be in a soft division so we can get a schedule like Iowa's.
Remember how close ISU was (two straight seasons)to getting into the Big 12 title game?
I'm just guessing anyway. I think that is really the largest point of this discussion though. We are all just guessing as to whether or not the Big 12 should add a championship game because we only have 2 years of data that provided evidence for opposite conclusions. And I think last year was better evidence for no CCG (with getting 1 or even 2 teams in with Georgia Tech and/or Wisconsin wins) than this year will be for adding one.
As others have stated, only makes sense with at least 12 teams. Championship game after round-robin makes no sense. What would it have accompolished to have OU play OSU for 2nd time yesterday?
These sites are interesting but the truth is the committee's ranking obviously affects the Coaches and AP they use in place of the Harris. When the committee drops a team like TCU all the way down to #19 for no reason (a team who finished #7 in Sagarin) you can see the effect that has on the coaches and AP polls from then on. At some point on ESPN and during games the # by the team is the commitee's # and it thus taints the coaches/AP from what it truly would have been pre-committee.
Still interesting, but I always cringe a little if people act as if we'd know. Last year it was very evident the way the AP and coaches poll mimicked the committee's TCU drop. The AP poll practically never drops a team a few spots for winning by 50 without this relatively new huge influence.
2 years in a row where the Big 10 team jumped ahead of the good guys after the championship game.
I'm against expansion but this does seem to say something
I'm against expansion but this does seem to say something
They just didn't want Oklahoma and Bama to play until the NC. In the end it really doesn't matter. Gotta beat the best to be the best.
And again it very likely would have put Stanford in the playoff ahead of the Big 12 at the same time if OU did not manage to beat Oklahoma State for the second time this year.
Seems foolish to focus on the potential positives of adding a CCG while ignoring the negatives. OU is in the playoffs so the Big 12 does not "have to" add a CCG.
That move was more about protecting Alabama IMO, no one wants to play OU right now and the committee/ESPN wasn't happy about not having an SEC team in the final last year
