Perspective from the Big Ten and some much needed clarifications
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We all wanted to believe. Especially in that moment. No one should take biting that bait too hard. I forgive you.
Quick Update
Big ten-Pac-ACC are entering an alliance in hopes to postpone any more expansion for the next few years. Jim Delany (former big ten commish) has been heavily involved talking with all three conferences and the consensus seems to be that maintaining the status quo of the conferences. While there will never be a formal agreement talking about not poaching teams the conferences all feel that it is generally in their best interest to stay where they are for the next few years. For the ACC they were stuck due to their GOR. The Pac agreed because they cant afford to lose their top teams and the big ten is hoping to sign a short 5-7 year media rights deal that would be up right around the ACC's is and then realignment talks might start again with some teams that they actually want.
Part of the reason the big ten is interested in staying put for the time being is that their new rights deal will bring in around 80mil per school and talks about adding pac12 teams would result in a lower per school payout. In addition many AD's are under the impression that even with texas and OU that the SEC payout could still be less then the big tens due to them owning part of the big ten network vs the SEC network which is owned entirely by espn.
What this means for the big 12 is that it seems likely that texas and OU will be forced to stay in the big 12 for the next few years unless a payout agreement can be reached. The alliance schools wouldn't be adding any of the hateful 8 and the big 12 would be forced to expand with some other schools such as BYU that would need access to the playoff.
Could this all change overnight? Of course but that is what i am currently hearing.
Big ten-Pac-ACC are entering an alliance in hopes to postpone any more expansion for the next few years. Jim Delany (former big ten commish) has been heavily involved talking with all three conferences and the consensus seems to be that maintaining the status quo of the conferences. While there will never be a formal agreement talking about not poaching teams the conferences all feel that it is generally in their best interest to stay where they are for the next few years. For the ACC they were stuck due to their GOR. The Pac agreed because they cant afford to lose their top teams and the big ten is hoping to sign a short 5-7 year media rights deal that would be up right around the ACC's is and then realignment talks might start again with some teams that they actually want.
Part of the reason the big ten is interested in staying put for the time being is that their new rights deal will bring in around 80mil per school and talks about adding pac12 teams would result in a lower per school payout. In addition many AD's are under the impression that even with texas and OU that the SEC payout could still be less then the big tens due to them owning part of the big ten network vs the SEC network which is owned entirely by espn.
What this means for the big 12 is that it seems likely that texas and OU will be forced to stay in the big 12 for the next few years unless a payout agreement can be reached. The alliance schools wouldn't be adding any of the hateful 8 and the big 12 would be forced to expand with some other schools such as BYU that would need access to the playoff.
Could this all change overnight? Of course but that is what i am currently hearing.
If any of this is true, it's the biggest hypocritical double standard there is.
"Oh - we're not going to expand because it will reduce our payout per school. BTW, Big 12 - you're going to expand and significantly reduce your payout per school or we're not going to let you into the playoff."
Talk about total bull****.
How about the divisions? Basically OSU has to focus on Mich (not much anymore) and Penn state. The west is a collection of poorer teams and whoever wins the east will win the championship game by a sizable margin and lock down a playoff spot if they avoid more than one loss.
So really the only reason B1G is agreeing to this alliance is because there are no teams that are worthy to add. So instead of just saying that publicly (which would be bad PR) they are going with this story of a BS alliance. P12 is screwed in the future. Just as is ACC as soon as B1G can get few teams from there. Then it will be SEC, B1G and whatever conference the remainder of ACC/P12/B12 teams end up in (with half the money of B1G and SEC). Only question is how many teams will B1G go after and if SEC will add more teams and how many.
Yeah OSU has ran a train on them in the recent years. Sparty had a good run against them for awhile but is no longer real competition. As long as Michigan has Harbaugh OSU wont really have a competitive rival in the Big Ten although they do drop games to bad teams more frequently then bama does.
They say for now, because if a 12 team playoff comes along, they will want to increase their chances of having multiple teams.
You have the jist of it. Big ten was already in media talks before this realignment so they had an idea of what they were already worth and while big 12 schools could add to that money they might not add another 80mil to the yearly total to keep payouts the same as what they are hearing now.
What teams in the ACC outside of Clemson and FSU are worth more than USC and Washington?
Do you have a feel for what the optimal/total number of teams B1G would have after they raid ACC?
USC and Washington wont come alone due to the timezone and the big ten doesn't want to deal with the headache of moving to 20 teams. But you arent wrong with your statement.
So basically Notre Dame told the B1G no. Again.
Honestly no idea. Not even sure if it would happen but i do know that many university presidents and AD's think they would be a better fit then Pac12 teams.
So why would the big ten take ACC teams that would pull their payouts down?
I thin ND knows the invite is there if they ever want it. As much as it annoys fans and AD's the big ten would be idiotic not to accept them if the interest was mutual.
It wont pull them down this time around and by the time their next media deal is up they can reassess the landscape. Its not exactly a proactive approach but its typical big ten.
Pac and ACC are dumb to get involved with the b1g. They will be predators just like the SEC. Only real hope those leagues have is to align with the big 12, they must not realize that they are also little fish.
Why would 20 teams be that much more of a headache than let’s say 16 teams?
It doesn’t matter what they do. Once B1G and sec are done with their moves everyone else will fall behind financially.
