Oh its not I was just referring to the paying the bills line. Arizona is a very interesting market that never gets talked about and i honestly have no idea why. Or for that matter how they aren't dominant in revenue sports giving how mind-blowingly attractive their campus is. At this time AAU membership is a must. Also dont take couch burning away from us its what we do.
Perspective from the Big Ten and some much needed clarifications
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The only school they didn't really want was Nebraska but they took them because we were just starting with divisions and they wanted a traditional power in the west division. As ****** as Rutgers was when they were brought in it was thought they were on the rise and Maryland was genuinely wanted. The thought was once both those schools got the big ten cash they would get better and Maryland had that under armour appeal at the time. This I can say with absolute confidence since i was around in the athletic dept during the first expansion. While fans still hate Rutgers the university presidents are pretty ok with their presence today.
I guess that would be an even bigger offense then…seeing a hillbilly desperately try to steal your tradition in the middle of a donor meeting.
As long as you have CMC you aren't boned. Keep winning and see how it plays out. Lock him down for the longest deal possible with a massive buyout and see what happens in the next few years while texas and OU are still in the conference. Just because you dont get an invite this year doesnt mean it wont happen. Winning fixes everything just look at clemson.
Right, I’m saying we get quite a bit of money for research so we have some value there. Also, we are a premier land grand school. Just wish we had a law school or something.
I think this is an important factor to consider. Would there be more people who casually watch ISU vs Michigan State or Cal vs Michigan State? If people find the intensity and passion in a rivalry interesting, the value goes up. I don’t know what that value is but it could be another factor to consider
Pete # Heartland Sports does a good job at explaining why things are not good for ISU and the other remaining 7 members.
A possible solution that makes sense so it will never happen:
Move Purdue & Illinois to the East. Invite SLAM to the West. Stillwater, Lawrence, Ames, and Manhatten. Traditional rivalries, drivable games, sold out stadiums, regional media rating records... Or we could try to keep the Big XII alive - maybe invite UCF and Boise St and Memphis and xyz State. I prefer the former.
As far as our entering a conference module with EIU - how does ATM feel about UT being on their schedule each year? At least we already play Iowa each (regular) year anyway. It would give them another non-con on even years - probably a 1.5 M windfall.
Move Purdue & Illinois to the East. Invite SLAM to the West. Stillwater, Lawrence, Ames, and Manhatten. Traditional rivalries, drivable games, sold out stadiums, regional media rating records... Or we could try to keep the Big XII alive - maybe invite UCF and Boise St and Memphis and xyz State. I prefer the former.
As far as our entering a conference module with EIU - how does ATM feel about UT being on their schedule each year? At least we already play Iowa each (regular) year anyway. It would give them another non-con on even years - probably a 1.5 M windfall.
I think timing is the problem. I think Texas and OU will be in the SEC as early as a year from now. They will either have their lawyers work on how to reduce the penalty to get out or just pay the fines and go. We are likely to have a really good year, and have the best recruiting class we have had in a long time. We just signed Matt Campbell to a long term contract extension with a stout buy-out. But say Texas and OU leave by next fall, Campbell leads us to a great year, and we are left hanging looking at playing in the Mountain West, Big 12 sisters of the poor or some independent status. Campbell has been great but he would be at his highest marketability If a top level school wants him no buyout will stop them. His new recruits want to play big time football so some decommit. Things are happening fast, I don't think we have the luxury of waiting it out. So we may just be boned and it really sucks because we have a great coach and our program is really building. If Texas and OU had left in 2 or 3 years I think we would be fine, now not so sure.
Why are we listening to a Spartan?
Don't y'all remember 2000?
Don't y'all remember 2000?
that is not going to work. What is our coaching staff supposed to tell recruits on what league we are playing in?
At the ABSOLUTE latest, we’re in the B1G in 2025 when our GOR is up. But I don’t even think the Big 12 will be around past 2023. I think it’ll be dissolved by then or morphed into the Pac12 if the top members of the Pac12 are poached by the B1G.
It's much more likely than not that Iowa State is never a B1G member IMO.
Well, yes lol. Just by listening to the Pac 12 it seems they are far more intrigued with expanding than the B1G is.
One more sign (a dollar sign $) that eventually this WILL be two different animals. The SEC (Super ESPN Conference) with about 20 teams making $100M+ per year, and the NCAA with about 50 teams making $20M per year.
Personally I will be watching the latter, not the former.
Timing was never going to be great but ISU is in a lot better position than 10 years ago when it was almost certain to many that UT/OU were PAC bound and ISU would have been Big East/AAC/MWC. Our AD was proactive to expand the stadium invest in the program and did choose the right coach. I am just glad the conversation has changed from will ISU continue to have P5 Football to which conference would be the best add ISU. The Big 10 question for instance has changed from ISU isn't worthy of an invite due to the program to now brining the fans to add some value rather it is just timing that the B1G isn't looking to expand.
We do need to recognize the current BOR doesn't end to 2025 and I doubt any of the left 8 are going to be too keen on letting OU/UT out of their media obligations unless there is compelling reason to. Those being they agree to pay the money and play in SEC for free, there is a landing spot for the teams and it makes since to move to a new conference thus forfeiting their BOR. I am not naïve to think UT/OU will play in the B12 any further than through next year but the Big 12 can remain viable for a couple years after due to the current BOR. That is why the current AD's are making their statements and not trying to jump today rather playing it out for a while and will get close to the money owed.
As for Campbell, I get the worries on but he isn't at ISU trying to make a jump as has been discussed he's had the opportunities to coach in the mighty SEC and NFL the past couple of year more than doubling his pay and declined. While no one expects him to stay and coach at a MWC level contract we are a ways off from that point.
