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Cyhig said:
My point is how many Cignetti’s are out there?
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In my opinion? 1-2. I think he's that good. I think his age scared a lot of programs away since he is almost or is in his mid 60's and had never been a HC at a "power" level.

If I'm being generous, there might be 4-5 others currently serving as HCs at a power conference school.

Then there are probably another small handful or so at the lower college levels or something.

So not very many. That's why if I'm Indiana... I'm scraping every bucket because you better believe he's gonna be on the top of the list for a lot of big time jobs that come open. So I guess the question then is, is Indiana his last job and he's happy to reward the University and program... or if say, one of the SEC jobs with deeper pockets open, does the idea of really setting himself and his family up even moreso appeal to him? IDK.


But yeah. There's not many. Which again is why I don't see Indiana as being fluky. Not while he's there. Cause for my money, he's the best coach in the Big 10 following semi-closely by Lanning.
 
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I mentioned to a friend when NIL became a thing that we've probably seen the beginning of the end for ISU football if this is the status quo. ISU doesn't and won't compete in that way. It just won't happen.

After the Purdy/Hall team I have pretty much just watched ISU games because it's something to do, but I don't get invested anymore. That team had already taught me the lesson with way more talent than the following teams.

If you want to get fired up about football that's fine, but just expect to be disappointed in the end. ISU just doesn't have the talent, and now in a lesser conference will struggle to attract better coaches when needed.

It's okay to get invested in basketball, though. ISU can compete in that.
 
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I understand your point but I disagree overall. But you do have some validity even if I think a tad bit differently
 
quasistellar said:
I mentioned to a friend when NIL became a thing that we've probably seen the beginning of the end for ISU football if this is the status quo. ISU doesn't and won't compete in that way. It just won't happen.

After the Purdy/Hall team I have pretty much just watched ISU games because it's something to do, but I don't get invested anymore. That team had already taught me the lesson with way more talent than the following teams.

If you want to get fired up about football that's fine, but just expect to be disappointed in the end. ISU just doesn't have the talent, and now in a lesser conference will struggle to attract better coaches when needed.

It's okay to get invested in basketball, though. ISU can compete in that.
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Last time I checked, there are 15 other teams in the conference, all of whom would have trouble attracting talented players using your logic.

So are you suggesting none of the 16 teams in the big 12 would ever have success? I mean somebody has to win the conference. And I would bet there will be some stretches where teams in the conference will have a more dominant role over 4-5 year period of time.

If ISU is contending for conference titles, then I will not be disappointed.
 
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stewart092284 said:
In my opinion? 1-2. I think he's that good. I think his age scared a lot of programs away since he is almost or is in his mid 60's and had never been a HC at a "power" level.

If I'm being generous, there might be 4-5 others currently serving as HCs at a power conference school.

Then there are probably another small handful or so at the lower college levels or something.

So not very many. That's why if I'm Indiana... I'm scraping every bucket because you better believe he's gonna be on the top of the list for a lot of big time jobs that come open. So I guess the question then is, is Indiana his last job and he's happy to reward the University and program... or if say, one of the SEC jobs with deeper pockets open, does the idea of really setting himself and his family up even moreso appeal to him? IDK.


But yeah. There's not many. Which again is why I don't see Indiana as being fluky. Not while he's there. Cause for my money, he's the best coach in the Big 10 following semi-closely by Lanning.
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I think Indiana will do the right thing here and redo his contract to keep him around, the guy turned 63 in June, and has spent a lot of time working to get where he is at. Left a minor coaching job at Alabama to become a head coach at a lower level. Indiana is a lot like the ISU job where you can make a lot of money and never feel the pressure to win a championship or get fired. Its Ok to stay at a place you like and are wanted without having a fan base calling for your head if you stumble some.
 
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Cyhig said:
Last time I checked, there are 15 other teams in the conference, all of whom would have trouble attracting talented players using your logic.

So are you suggesting none of the 16 teams in the big 12 would ever have success? I mean somebody has to win the conference. And I would bet there will be some stretches where teams in the conference will have a more dominant role over 4-5 year period of time.

If ISU is contending for conference titles, then I will not be disappointed.
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I'm suggesting ISU won't be competing for football conference titles often (if ever) in the current college sports financial climate. I'm suggesting ISU is not on the same level as other programs in the conference with what it can financially offer talent and coaches.
 
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quasistellar said:
I'm suggesting ISU won't be competing for football conference titles often (if ever) in the current college sports financial climate. I'm suggesting ISU is not on the same level as other programs in the conference with what it can financially offer talent and coaches.
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What other schools in the conference are much higher financially??
 
quasistellar said:
I'm suggesting ISU won't be competing for football conference titles often (if ever) in the current college sports financial climate. I'm suggesting ISU is not on the same level as other programs in the conference with what it can financially offer talent and coaches.
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You're right, but you're missing one factor. Its not that easy. Look at Florida State.

Two years ago, they nailed the portal, had a great year. This year, they whiffed, and suck. Same thing happened at Michigan State. Tucker nailed the portal one year, had a massive success. They couldn't repeat that, and sucked and he got canned.

So its not as simple as $. Yes, obviously that helps a lot.

Look at the top of the Big 12 - BYU - IDK how much they have. Colorado, okay, they've spent but will they when Deion leaves? Iowa State and Kansas State, not huge spenders. Gundy has talked about how they don't have a ton of money. Like, really only Tech, then probably Baylor / TCU are huge rollers. Even Utah IDK how much they spend.


Its still gonna come down to being largely about development, injuries, and playing clean football.
 
CloneLawman said:
Kansas. K-State. Utah. BYU. Arizona. Oklahoma State. Texas Tech. Baylor.
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Actually not true

ISU has more revenues than K State. Baylor is private and to my knowledge hasn’t disclosed the data.

And amazingly, Iowa State is tied or ahead of all those schools in the conference standings except for one

So the notion ISU can’t compete on football because they don’t have the financial resources is absurd
 
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Cyhig said:
Actually not true

ISU has more revenues than K State. Baylor is private and to my knowledge hasn’t disclosed the data.

And amazingly, Iowa State is tied or ahead of all those schools in the conference standings except for one

So the notion ISU can’t compete on football because they don’t have the financial resources
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Actually it depends. You seem to be ignoring the effect of private donations to collectives in your little "gotcha" analysis.

Financial resources are broader than program revenues, but then you know that.

Also, I haven't advanced the notion as you choose to frame it.
 
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CloneLawman said:
Actually it depends. You seem to be ignoring the effect of private donations to collectives in your little "gotcha" analysis.

Financial resources are broader than program revenues, but then you know that.

Also, I haven't advanced the notion as you choose to frame it.
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And you happen to have the data of these “private donations?” Or are you just assuming things?
 
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You got the rhetorical answer you wanted. Now, go look at the 990's for the collectives and we can talk.

And further, keep tilting at windmills. I haven't advanced the notion that ISU can't compete.
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What rhetorical question did I ask?
 
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