OT: Making A Murderer on Netflix

[Rhoadhoused]

How could anyone possibly conclude this guy was guilty given all that evidence that the cops were ******* with everything?

And then after fingering him as the "one and only" murderer in closing statements, they go and convict a mentally challenged kid for essentially the same damn thing?

I bet some random crazy dude murdered her, got locked up or caught or something, and the cops found the RAV4 at their house or wherever they put it and the burnt bones, and drove the RAV4 to a place it could be easily spotted at the Averys. They put the fake blood that is obviously pulled out of that vial and swapped on with a cue tip/dripped on the floor and gave one lady a camera to go find a car in a 50 acre lot and she found it in 10 minutes?

And Lenk doesn't sign in, and he's there for finding the key, and he's there for finding the bullet, and all the other garbage.

How could a juror be so stupid to think that the obviously mentally handicapped kid was pulling those things from his memory vs being suggested that he did something, and rewarded for confessing to every new thing with how honest he was and how he was doing the right thing? And insinuating that he'd get off free if he told them what they wanted to hear. It's so painfully obvious.

I wouldn't be surprised if the 3 jurors they said were quiet and withdrawn and wouldn't negotiate were tampered with as one of the lawyers suggested late in the show.

Just mind boggling. /rant

 

[Rhoadhoused]

No jimlad from me. Someone's life is on the line and it's put into the hands of people who can't form a coherent sentence. Sorry, it's just true. This case is the perfect example. Casey Anthony. OJ. And these are just the high profile cases in the national spotlight. Think about those that nobody pays attention to that end up as complete miscarriages of justice every day, just because a juror is tired and wants to get home to his/her family, doesn't understand the complexities of the evidence presented, lacks the confidence to voice an honest opinion that goes against the majority, or is just a complete dipsh!t walking the streets. These are real reasons that innocent people get sent to prison for life. This guy already lost 18 years of his life because it happened to him once. 18 years. Pretty easy to shrug it off from a distance.

With how corrupt that judge seemed it probably wouldn't matter. Wisconsin is a ****ed up place.

Look at this graph on African American incarceration rates:

(Not that Iowa is much better on that, but clearing the field by 3% is insane)

 

[CYphyllis]

All I know for certain is that I do not want to **** off the state of Wisconsin.

 

[Gonzo]

With how corrupt that judge seemed it probably wouldn't matter. Wisconsin is a ****ed up place.

Look at this graph on African American incarceration rates:

(Not that Iowa is much better on that, but clearing the field by 3% is insane)

When we lived in Chicago my wife served on a jury in a trial where a guy got stabbed in the neck with a broken bottle outside a bar. He didn't die, but it was obviously a serious deal. The kid they arrested was up for attempted murder. There was more evidence pointing away from the defendant than they had on him, but the victim was a blue collar middle aged sausage eating Chicago guy and that's what about 75% of the jury looked like. After it was over she talked about how all they cared about was nailing "somebody", and since the defendant was a 20-year-old Latino kid who the police arrested, they all figured he was guilty regardless. It was her and one other guy who didn't think the defendant did it, but the other guy was complete milquetoast and it didn't take long for them to sway him. The defendant would've gone to prison for life. Eventually, all they were saying to my wife was 'don't you want to get home?' and 'don't you want to be done with this? and 'don't you want to get back to work have things back to normal?' It had nothing to do with the case and the evidence. It was all about trying to pressure her to send the kid away for life, based on how it was inconveniencing all of them. And several of the other jurors were complete braindeads who basically just went along with what the few domineering guys told them to think. She held out and he was found not guilty. But you're crazy if you don't think that's a completely ****ed up system.

 

[dahliaclone]

When we lived in Chicago my wife served on a jury in a trial where a guy got stabbed in the neck with a broken bottle outside a bar. He didn't die, but it was obviously a serious deal. The kid they arrested was up for attempted murder. There was more evidence pointing away from the defendant than they had on him, but the victim was a blue collar middle aged sausage eating Chicago guy and that's what about 75% of the jury looked like. After it was over she talked about how all they cared about was nailing "somebody", and since the defendant was a 20-year-old Latino kid who the police arrested, they all figured he was guilty regardless. It was her and one other guy who didn't think the defendant did it, but the other guy was complete milquetoast and it didn't take long for them to sway him. The defendant would've gone to prison for life. Eventually, all they were saying to my wife was 'don't you want to get home?' and 'don't you want to be done with this? and 'don't you want to get back to work have things back to normal?' It had nothing to do with the case and the evidence. It was all about trying to pressure her to send the kid away for life, based on how it was inconveniencing all of them. And several of the other jurors were complete braindeads who basically just went along with what the few domineering guys told them to think. She held out and he was found not guilty. But you're crazy if you don't think that's a completely ****ed up system.

I applaud your wife. Good for her.

 

[Tre4ISU]

As I sit back and am about to start episode 3, I do have to say...you'd think anyone who murdered someone would know well enough not to leave their keys in their own bedroom.

I forgot how they present things right away. You are going to have a good time when all the details come about.

Count me in on it being the two other guys who took the stand. They were there. They knew the background. They had access to everything.

Also, I think clonedude was insinuating the cops killed the girl which would be a thought right up his alley.

 

[HiltonMagic]

The problem is the trial became about proving his innocence instead of proving his guilt. Do I know he's innocent? no. do I know he's guilty? no. therefore it should have been a verdict of not guilty.

The state never proved beyond reasonable doubt that he did it. Unfortunately for him, his defense did not prove beyond reasonable doubt that he was innocent.

I think it became the perfect storm of corruption, stupidity, incompetence, and innocence. Some were behind the crime and corruption, others behind the framing and some just flatout believed the police over him. Most of them didn't want to believe him.

 

[NATEizKING]

Watching it through a 2nd time because the wife wanted to watch, the intro music almost makes me angry hearing it and thinking about the cases and I'm not an angry person.

 

[Dannynoonan]

MUST WATCH.

True story documentary of crimes that happened in Wisconsin. Ten episodes. I binged the whole effing thing today/tonight.

[video=youtube;qxgbdYaR_KQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxgbdYaR_KQ[/video]

I was SO ****** off watching this. How anyone found him guilty "without doubt" is beyond me. What a bunch of **** this guy has lived.

 

[Tailg8er]

I think my neck hurts from how much this show made me shake my head.

- Some of the things the judge allowed/denied were mind boggling to me. Not allowing them to suggest other suspects, allowing the FBI blood test that was supposed to take months to develop but was ready in time for the trial, allowing the Bobby Dassey testimony (+ many more I can't think of). Would be extremely frustrating as the defense lawyers having virtually every judgment go against you.
- How was Avery convicted of the homicide but not the mutilation of the corpse?
- They showed how Brendan (or his mom, for that matter) didn't know what 'inconsistent' means. They showed he didn't know the difference between a foot or a yard.
- Brendan's cousin said she made up the story she told the investigators. Is it that far fetched that a 15 year old might hear news stories & lie, but then realize the severity of lying under oath so she better tell the truth this time?

I thought Avery's defense lawyers did as good a job as possible & I would definitely hire them if needed after watching this.

 

[Tailg8er]

^ That's all after watching the first 9 episodes, will hopefully finish the tenth tonight.

 

[Mtowncyclone13]

has anyone else read the statements from the county sheriff since this documentary was released? he said there were phone records of avery calling auto trader and asking for the "same woman" and admitting to wanting to kill someone while he was in prison.

yeah, the sheriff was crooked as hell but i also don't doubt the film makers left some things out.

 

[Tre4ISU]

has anyone else read the statements from the county sheriff since this documentary was released? he said there were phone records of avery calling auto trader and asking for the "same woman" and admitting to wanting to kill someone while he was in prison.

yeah, the sheriff was crooked as hell but i also don't doubt the film makers left some things out.

Oh, they had an angle, that's for sure but the physical evidence is what it is. The part about asking for the same woman doesn't matter. He could have just felt familiar with her and comfortable with her.

I don't know he didn't kill her. In fact, I would say it's probable. However, it didn't happen how that creep Ken Kratz said it did and nothing makes sense. You burn a body and then try to move only a little bit of it? You burn a body a few feet from where you killed the person but you put the body in the vehicle? You park that vehicle on your own property? You keep the key? Sorry man, that's just too much without even mentioning all the police inconsistencies.

 

[CydeOut]

has anyone else read the statements from the county sheriff since this documentary was released? he said there were phone records of avery calling auto trader and asking for the "same woman" and admitting to wanting to kill someone while he was in prison.

yeah, the sheriff was crooked as hell but i also don't doubt the film makers left some things out.

i use the same financial advisor, same real estate agent, same car salesman when I want to use those services; I think it is common to ask for the same person if you have had success with them in the past.

if I was put in prison for 18 years for something I didn't do, I can imagine being mad enough to mutter the words "I'm going to kill so and so". It's a common expression for those who get mad, even though it shouldn't be.

 

[Mtowncyclone13]

i use the same financial advisor, same real estate agent, same car salesman when I want to use those services; I think it is common to ask for the same person if you have had success with them in the past.

if I was put in prison for 18 years for something I didn't do, I can imagine being mad enough to mutter the words "I'm going to kill so and so". It's a common expression for those who get mad, even though it shouldn't be.

I'm not defending the police at all because it's obvious they ruined his life. But asking for the "same woman" was because he was attracted to her, not because she was good at her job. the first time she came to his house he was in only a bath towel and she asked to never be sent there again. then he tricked her into meeting him again because he said she would be meeting with his sister (or aunt?). That's the only reason she went out there. It wasn't because he was comfortable with her - it was because he wanted to do something to her.

 

[BiggerCy]

I'm not defending the police at all because it's obvious they ruined his life. But asking for the "same woman" was because he was attracted to her, not because she was good at her job. the first time she came to his house he was in only a bath towel and she asked to never be sent there again. then he tricked her into meeting him again because he said she would be meeting with his sister (or aunt?). That's the only reason she went out there. It wasn't because he was comfortable with her - it was because he wanted to do something to her.

Wait, was this in the documentary? I don't remember this

 

[Mtowncyclone13]

Wait, was this in the documentary? I don't remember this

no, it was not. the sheriff released this information because he's getting non-stop calls. his comment was that the filmmakers didn't show all the evidence against him because it would have hurt their cause. i'm not saying he did or didn't do it - only that i would believe the filmmakers would leave things out.

 

[jsb]

no, it was not. the sheriff released this information because he's getting non-stop calls. his comment was that the filmmakers didn't show all the evidence against him because it would have hurt their cause. i'm not saying he did or didn't do it - only that i would believe the filmmakers would leave things out.

Yeah, I'm not sure if I believe much of anything that police department says.

 

[55dB]

no, it was not. the sheriff released this information because he's getting non-stop calls. his comment was that the filmmakers didn't show all the evidence against him because it would have hurt their cause. i'm not saying he did or didn't do it - only that i would believe the filmmakers would leave things out.

Is this the same sherriffs office that may have planted the blood, key, and bullet fragment? Yeah, don't believe what they say.

 

[isufbcurt]

I'm not defending the police at all because it's obvious they ruined his life. But asking for the "same woman" was because he was attracted to her, not because she was good at her job. the first time she came to his house he was in only a bath towel and she asked to never be sent there again. then he tricked her into meeting him again because he said she would be meeting with his sister (or aunt?). That's the only reason she went out there. It wasn't because he was comfortable with her - it was because he wanted to do something to her.

I hope I am never accused of murder because I choose check out lines at stores based on the most attractive cashier (alot of times I have to just choose the shortest line because none are attractive) and I chose my life/disability inusrance agent because she was hot.