OSU Dual Thread

[Tigerguy_]

If you’re not disappointed in this season, than you’d probably be fine going back to that season. Sorry for being excited that ISU had a potential top 5 team. In a year when you don’t have any ivies, plus all the other uncertainty, everything was primed for for a breakthrough year.
Look, 15th place is good and a lot better than the past, but I want to see more progress and it’s disappointing to have to wait 2-3 more years.

Is the season over?? 125 is a true frosh who beat the hell out of the 2 year starter twice, why would Mackall be an upgrade over what is there now.

Gomez was never going to be in the lineup no matter how much people wished for it. Redding is better than the U23 champ, I'm not disappointed about him.

Doubt we see Degen this year and if it turns out that way I won't be surprised, and I am sure as hell not disappointed in Robinson.

165 is a black hole and will be upgraded if the cards fall in place next year, big time.

Colbray is going to get in the lineup and be fine this year.

197 is a huge block of clay that is going to be really really good.

So ya, I'm not disappointed in this year because there is a lot of wrestling left.

Now I am pissed how they showed against Mizzou, and so wanted to shut John Smith up this weekend, but Stevie Wonder can see the progress made this week.

And ya when I look at 2017 and the team scores:

57. Binghamton 1
Clarion
Columbia
Iowa St.
West Virginia

I'm not disappointed in this year at all and can see the arrow pointing up

 

[crablegs]

I think the key is disappointed while excited that it looks like despite the setbacks we have replacements that can continue the growth.

Is the season over?? 125 is a true frosh who beat the hell out of the 2 year starter twice, why would Mackall be an upgrade over what is there now.

Gomez was never going to be in the lineup no matter how much people wished for it. Redding is better than the U23 champ, I'm not disappointed about him.

Doubt we see Degen this year and if it turns out that way I won't be surprised, and I am sure as hell not disappointed in Robinson.

165 is a black hole and will be upgraded if the cards fall in place next year, big time.

Colbray is going to get in the lineup and be fine this year.

197 is a huge block of clay that is going to be really really good.

So ya, I'm not disappointed in this year because there is a lot of wrestling left.

Now I am pissed how they showed against Mizzou, and so wanted to shut John Smith up this weekend, but Stevie Wonder can see the progress made this week.

And ya when I look at 2017 and the team scores:

57. Binghamton 1
Clarion
Columbia
Iowa St.
West Virginia

I'm not disappointed in this year at all and can see the arrow pointing up

Really? It is hard to respond to all these ridiculous claims.

125 - Terukina is beating Mackall because Mackall has regressed from last year. If Terukina was as good as Mackall last year he’d be an AA. This is probably the worst weight I’ve ever seen in NCAA D1 wrestling in my life.

133- you’re the one that said Gomez would be wrestling. Even 100%. Easy to change your tune now. https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/thre...-iowa-states-wrestle-offs.342666/post-8474950

149 - no one is disappointed in Robinson, so no clue why you’d say that. It is definitely disappointing not to have the team’s only AA in the lineup.

What does 2017 have to do with anything? Of course we’re a million times better than that year, and that’s great. Iowa State was 3rd preseason in the rankings. Now 12th. That is not progressing. They were 16th at the 2019 NCAAs, will they even do better than that? I’m not sure.

I never took you to be such a homer and to get so defensive. If you’re happy with this season good for you, I’m not. Am o happy with the overall trajectory from the KJ era, he’ll yea! Two completely different things. Not sure how you’re mixing them up.

 

[Tigerguy_]

Really? It is hard to respond to all these ridiculous claims.

125 - Terukina is beating Mackall because Mackall has regressed from last year. If Terukina was as good as Mackall last year he’d be an AA. This is probably the worst weight I’ve ever seen in NCAA D1 wrestling in my life.

133- you’re the one that said Gomez would be wrestling. Even 100%. Easy to change your tune now. https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/thre...-iowa-states-wrestle-offs.342666/post-8474950

149 - no one is disappointed in Robinson, so no clue why you’d say that. It is definitely disappointing not to have the team’s only AA in the lineup.

What does 2017 have to do with anything? Of course we’re a million times better than that year, and that’s great. Iowa State was 3rd preseason in the rankings. Now 12th. That is not progressing. They were 16th at the 2019 NCAAs, will they even do better than that? I’m not sure.

I never took you to be such a homer and to get so defensive. If you’re happy with this season good for you, I’m not. Am o happy with the overall trajectory from the KJ era, he’ll yea! Two completely different things. Not sure how you’re mixing them up.

Gomez cutting to 133, which he was doing, is a long way from saying he is going to be in the lineup with a glass head.

And you know that was directed at Smalls who had no idea what was happening with the weights

 

[crablegs]

Gomez cutting to 133, which he was doing, is a long way from saying he is going to be in the lineup with a glass head.

And you know that was directed at Smalls who had no idea what was happening with the weights

I get that you were going at Smalls, your 2 claims just don’t make sense when taken together. He was “100%” going to make 133, but was “never going to be in the lineup.” Seems like if he was going to make 133 he was going to be in the lineup, and if he wasn’t going to be in the lineup, why would he make 133?

 

[Land Grant]

I'm with Crabby. Compared to most preseason expectations, this team has slid. Hard not to be disappointed by that. And while we've seen an upward trajectory these last couple years, it hasn't been steep. Outside of Carr, it feels to me like we're still balanced on a knife's edge. That's why under performance is unsettling.

Now I know, injuries and all that. But that's something of a non indicator, since every team has them. Finally, you are what your record says you are.

 

[Tigerguy_]

I get that you were going at Smalls, your 2 claims just don’t make sense when taken together. He was “100%” going to make 133, but was “never going to be in the lineup.” Seems like if he was going to make 133 he was going to be in the lineup, and if he wasn’t going to be in the lineup, why would he make 133?

Look I get most of my info from @buf87 and I wasn't at liberty to say that Gomez was in concussion protocol, .........again, or that he was 139 post practice on his way down.

And I wasn't able to reveal Buf telling me early last week that Mackall was done, but I posted things in threads for people to get a feel.

So ya Gomez was going to make the cut to 133, but his health was already at the point where it wasn't going to work with him being able to wrestle but the kid was hoping against hope to make it happen but was not public record yet.

Buf's rules, not mine.

 

[stuclone]

All I’m gonna say is it’s going to be fun resurrecting some of these posts at the end of March

 

[JM4CY]

All I’m gonna say is it’s going to be fun resurrecting some of these posts at the end of March

 

[BillyClone]

I think I'm just repeating what others have said, but my disappointment is in the way the chips have fallen this season - not in the coaching staff or the wrestlers themselves.

Who would have guessed that both Mackall and Gomez would be off the team this season?
Who would guessed that Degen, Colbray, and Coleman would miss over half of an already shortened season?

That's half of the lineup that I was expecting to see out on the mat this year!

So, disappointing? Yes. The fact that Parker, Carr, and Gremmel are looking good this year just adds to my thoughts about what could have been!

Am I angry with the coaching staff or the wrestlers? No. On the contrary, I am surprised at how well they have handled such a major disruption to the team's projected lineup. We split matches with Okie St. and, I thought, looked like the better wrestlers that day.

Ease up on crab - he's still a fellow Cyclone fan!

 

[stuclone]

Just saw that Kaid Brock suffered another season ending injury. Feel bad for the kid. Extremely talented, just couldn't avoid the injury bug

 

[CyCloneRastlinG]

Just saw that Kaid Brock suffered another season ending injury. Feel bad for the kid. Extremely talented, just couldn't avoid the injury bug

That sucks. Always liked watching that kid. Best of luck to him in the future away from wrestling.

 

[CyCloneRastlinG]

Really? It is hard to respond to all these ridiculous claims.

125 - Terukina is beating Mackall because Mackall has regressed from last year. If Terukina was as good as Mackall last year he’d be an AA. This is probably the worst weight I’ve ever seen in NCAA D1 wrestling in my life.

Worst weight you’ve seen in your life? You’re being dramatic. Malik Heinselman,
Dylan Ragusin and Taylor LaMont are all ranked outside the top 10 and are former World Team members at cadet and junior age levels. LaMont medaled at worlds. All 3 racked up lots of Fargo AA’s and titles - pretty tough to do. Latona is a Super 32 finalist and 2 time Fargo champ. Ragusin just got second at Senior Nationals. That’s a decent tournament where post grad guys can wrestle.

 

[JM4CY]

I can appreciate both sides of this little debate. I certainly think the best is yet to come and we haven’t see it yet because of injuries, etc. In a normal year, the Cuban would of not seen the mat in varsity matches because of redshirt. But I can see where crabs is coming from. It is disappointing because of where preseason expectations were at. Even if some of them were a little fools gold knowing what we know now about Gomez. This team had the makings of a really really special year. I certainly thought 6 AA was extremely reasonable expectation. We likely won’t get 6 but when was the last time we had 4 (and maaaayyyybe we’ll get 5) A hell of a long time. The next month will be a fun ride.

 

[Htowncyfan]

I have great confidence in Dresser and our team ( and the recruits coming) but my frustration is with the seemingly continuous stream of roadblocks keeping us from continuity and consistency. The elite (top 3-5) teams seem to cycle a number of 2/3/4 time AAs through their lineups. These guys seem to be able to show up every meet, power through being nicked up, and continue to win—year after year. We have simply had too many guys, usually for legitimate and laudable reasons, who don’t quite get there; and fall off the map for one reason or another. I continue to believe that we have the foundation for that kind of success. But now we need to actually do it.

 

[iastatefan1]

The results are a little disappointing, but if you watch the matches there are a lot of positives. We are aggressors on the feet, ride hard, and don't get ridden too often and are well conditioned. I think we are on the up and up.

On a seperate note, we have pretty good defense on the feet, but as a team we don't score much after successful sprawls in the front headlock position. Hope we see some improvement from that position moving forward as we were there a lot.

 

[CyGold]

I have great confidence in Dresser and our team ( and the recruits coming) but my frustration is with the seemingly continuous stream of roadblocks keeping us from continuity and consistency. The elite (top 3-5) teams seem to cycle a number of 2/3/4 time AAs through their lineups. These guys seem to be able to show up every meet, power through being nicked up, and continue to win—year after year. We have simply had too many guys, usually for legitimate and laudable reasons, who don’t quite get there; and fall off the map for one reason or another. I continue to believe that we have the foundation for that kind of success. But now we need to actually do it.

I think we need to have a little patience. Also, not to nitpick but 4 time AA's are very rare and few teams have them (even more rare than NCAA champs). The top 3-4 teams all have coaching staffs that have been around for a while and have had years to create depth. Even #1 Iowa has shown a huge dropoff when the top guy is sidelined (165). I don't think any top team could handle 3 or 4 of their top guys being injured/out and still be a considered a top contender. This unfortunately does happen quite a bit in wrestling and I don't think our injury history is are any worse than other teams. Our staff is loading up and our young guys are showing they have bright futures. Most of these young guys would probably be backups on the the top 3-4 teams and they'd have a chance to develop behind the scenes. It's tough because I personally blame our true Freshman KT the most for losing the OSU dual. It's probably not fair because Parker/Gremmel or someone else could have scored another bonus point for the W. KT wins that match we take it and our emotions are completely different. I really believe he should have and could have won that match... learn and Improve (I hope). I'm still a huge KT fan and think he's our best 125 moving forward.

Here's why I'm optimistic and feel we are on a path to be a top 3 team in 2 to 3 years (thus the "patience" stance)
125-TrFr (I'll agree this is a letdown wgt: Pre-season - I expected Mackall to AA so it's a downgrade in expectations - still hoping KT surprises us and AA's)
133-TrFr (Pre-season Top guy injured/done but few are really surprised bc of Gomez health history & I expected Small to be a Top 20 level guy which is about were Redding is at)
141-Sr AA (backups Small/Russian (or Redding grows into this wgt) are all tough)
149-TrFr (Pre-season returning AA Top guy injured)
157-RFr & Contender
165-weakest spot
174-RFr
184-RFr (Pre-season Top guy (RSo - Shapiro) injured)
197-TrFr (Pre-season Top Guy (Coleman) Injured) however many think our Cuban is the future
Hwt- Senior AA contender (btw - I'm excited about HS recruit Gabe Greenlee's future here)

4 pre-season expected top guys injured, plus Mackall, does make for a frustrating season (so far). However, our 7 starters that are TFr & RFrand IMO all are top 20 caliber guys and getting valuable experience that will pay dividends in the next few years. Depth has gotten better every year since Dresser & Co have taken over. They have shown they know how to develop & improve guys. I'm typically and optimist and still hoping Degen & Colbray and others can finish the season healthy and pull a top 10 finish.

 

[ST8TAILG8R]

I think we need to have a little patience. Also, not to nitpick but 4 time AA's are very rare and few teams have them (even more rare than NCAA champs). The top 3-4 teams all have coaching staffs that have been around for a while and have had years to create depth. Even #1 Iowa has shown a huge dropoff when the top guy is sidelined (165). I don't think any top team could handle 3 or 4 of their top guys being injured/out and still be a considered a top contender. This unfortunately does happen quite a bit in wrestling and I don't think our injury history is are any worse than other teams. Our staff is loading up and our young guys are showing they have bright futures. Most of these young guys would probably be backups on the the top 3-4 teams and they'd have a chance to develop behind the scenes. It's tough because I personally blame our true Freshman KT the most for losing the OSU dual. It's probably not fair because Parker/Gremmel or someone else could have scored another bonus point for the W. KT wins that match we take it and our emotions are completely different. I really believe he should have and could have won that match... learn and Improve (I hope). I'm still a huge KT fan and think he's our best 125 moving forward.

Here's why I'm optimistic and feel we are on a path to be a top 3 team in 2 to 3 years (thus the "patience" stance)
125-TrFr (I'll agree this is a letdown wgt: Pre-season - I expected Mackall to AA so it's a downgrade in expectations - still hoping KT surprises us and AA's)
133-TrFr (Pre-season Top guy injured/done but few are really surprised bc of Gomez health history & I expected Small to be a Top 20 level guy which is about were Redding is at)
141-Sr AA (backups Small/Russian (or Redding grows into this wgt) are all tough)
149-TrFr (Pre-season returning AA Top guy injured)
157-RFr & Contender
165-weakest spot
174-RFr
184-RFr (Pre-season Top guy (RSo - Shapiro) injured)
197-TrFr (Pre-season Top Guy (Coleman) Injured) however many think our Cuban is the future
Hwt- Senior AA contender (btw - I'm excited about HS recruit Gabe Greenlee's future here)

4 pre-season expected top guys injured, plus Mackall, does make for a frustrating season (so far). However, our 7 starters that are TFr & RFrand IMO all are top 20 caliber guys and getting valuable experience that will pay dividends in the next few years. Depth has gotten better every year since Dresser & Co have taken over. They have shown they know how to develop & improve guys. I'm typically and optimist and still hoping Degen & Colbray and others can finish the season healthy and pull a top 10 finish.

Perspective is rare these days. Good job.

 

[CyCloneRastlinG]

Also something to note. A lot of people think 165 is our weakest weight, and it could be. But Flo has new big 12 rankings with Judge ranked 5th in the conference. There is an outside shot we could take a guy to nationals at that weight depending on allocations.

 

[JM4CY]

Also something to note. A lot of people think 165 is our weakest weight, and it could be. But Flo has new big 12 rankings with Judge ranked 5th in the conference. There is an outside shot we could take a guy to nationals at that weight depending on allocations.

I like this. So you’re saying he could Chase Straw that thing in a month?

 

[CyCloneRastlinG]

I like this. So you’re saying he could Chase Straw that thing in a month?

You bet!