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[12191987]

Is it better to keep them around even though the coach clearly knows they aren’t interested?

Would it be better to tell them what deficiencies they see in the kid that they’d have to address to see the field ?

Give the kid the information they need to decide whether a redshirt year at ISU is the best option for them or not and honor the ******* commitment that the school made.

Under reasonable circumstances the kid will almost certainly choose to find another opportunity.

That is the galling thing about what is described here. Given the timing the kid is probably going to end up with a lot less money in his pocket and maybe even down a level from where he’d be if this happened several months ago.

 

[BadBoi]

Have to?

Ok they give them the opportunity, coach confirms they don’t fit which they already suspected, now the player has wasted a year of eligibility and wasted a roster spot.

Yes because it's doing right by a 17 year old who committed early and grew up going to ISU games. Obviously I trust Campbells ability to identify talent. Wouldn't you?

 

[3TrueFans]

Yes because it's doing right by a 17 year old who committed early and grew up going to ISU games. Obviously I trust Campbells ability to identify talent. Wouldn't you?

I trust him to evaluate talent for his game plan, not for another coach though.

Keeping them around even though you know they aren’t what you’re looking for isn’t doing right by anyone.

 

[jkbuff98]

I’ve heard the same from people really plugged into the FCS scene - particularly in the Dakotas. I take with a grain of salt, of course.

The fact that the GM made this call and not Rogers is what irks me personally. I know the guy is busy as f**k right now and maybe I’m just “old school”, but I’m very much a “pick up the phone and make the call yourself” kind of guy.

It’s not as though there were a hundred kids to call.

I’m a little late to the thread and maybe I missed it but is Campbell not interested in bringing him to Penn State or is that just something he doesn’t want to do. Did he have the opportunity to flip and declined ?

 

[3TrueFans]

Would it be better to tell them what deficiencies they see in the kid that they’d have to address to see the field ?

Give the kid the information they need to decide whether a redshirt year at ISU is the best option for them or not and honor the ******* commitment that the school made.

Under reasonable circumstances the kid will almost certainly choose to find another opportunity.

That is the galling thing about what is described here. Given the timing the kid is probably going to end up with a lot less money in his pocket and maybe even down a level from where he’d be if this happened several months ago.

Coaches make commitments, the coach that made it is gone. For some players the new coach may choose to make a new commitment, but for others maybe not.

 

[BCClone]

Would it be better to tell them what deficiencies they see in the kid that they’d have to address to see the field ?

Give the kid the information they need to decide whether a redshirt year at ISU is the best option for them or not and honor the ******* commitment that the school made.

Under reasonable circumstances the kid will almost certainly choose to find another opportunity.

That is the galling thing about what is described here. Given the timing the kid is probably going to end up with a lot less money in his pocket and maybe even down a level from where he’d be if this happened several months ago.

Once again, the money aspect.

Explain the difference between this and when Coach Mac had a scholarship for a kid and the evening before signing day (no early one back then to my knowledge) called up this recruit and said sorry, this better player committed and we are taking them instead. This kid really wanted to go to ISU, other family members had. This kid had to find a school immediately. This stuff has been going on for a while. Having two signing periods and this happening early period is better than what happened to this kid.

 

[twincyties]

I’m a little late to the thread and maybe I missed it but is Campbell not interested in bringing him to Penn State or is that just something he doesn’t want to do. Did he have the opportunity to flip and declined ?

I don’t think this was an option.

 

[BCClone]

But what does that mean?

Recruiting over kids, etc has happened forever.

Again, very different if it is frankly telling a kid they’re never going to see the floor for whatever reason. If the kid has attitude issues it is also fair to call it out, just like it is fair to dismiss a player.

Both the timing and level of respect shown here sound like they’re very, very different.

A kid wasn’t even given the chance that was promised him, and very likely lost out on the best alternative options he may have had because of when it happened. Worse still, it sounds like it was not handled with the level of respect/tact that the circumstances demanded.

We are also told all these players and commits leaving are okay because they all committed to the coach and not the school. Is this the only kid who committed to ISU and not to Campbell. People are wanting it both ways.

 

[twincyties]

Coaches make commitments, the coach that made it is gone. For some players the new coach may choose to make a new commitment, but for others maybe not.

functionally, yes - I agree with you. But these letters of intent are contracts with the university. They’re not between Campbell and the Player. I realize this is a technicality.

 

[twincyties]

Once again, the money aspect.

Explain the difference between this and when Coach Mac had a scholarship for a kid and the evening before signing day (no early one back then to my knowledge) called up this recruit and said sorry, this better player committed and we are taking them instead. This kid really wanted to go to ISU, other family members had. This kid had to find a school immediately. This stuff has been going on for a while. Having two signing periods and this happening early period is better than what happened to this kid.

The difference is that a contract was signed. I see your point and realize I’m speaking on technicalities, but this guy made a firm commitment and turned other offers down. He signed with us less than a week before this happened.

 

[12191987]

Coaches make commitments, the coach that made it is gone. For some players the new coach may choose to make a new commitment, but for others maybe not.

That’s not factually correct. The Grant-in-Aid is an agreement between the athlete and the school.

If it wasn’t the new GM would not have needed to convince this 17 year old kid to rescind his commitment.

I don’t know how the NIL deals work, but my hunch is it is similar.

 

[BCClone]

The difference is that a contract was signed. I see your point and realize I’m speaking on technicalities, but this guy made a firm commitment and turned other offers down. He signed with us less than a week before this happened.

I still believe it’s better to move on no matter what, even if ISU honored the contract. If the coach felt like he didn’t fit, being made a tackling dummy isn’t a great position. Had a friend who quit ISU because that was what happened to him. His best shot at landing as well as possible is moving on and not sitting on a bench getting no reps and completely wasting his redshirt.

 

[twincyties]

There is still another signing period and he still has ability to talk to teams. If he was sat on a bench and basically told to shag punts, it would be tougher to latch on to a good team. If the kid can make close to 6 figures a year or so, he won’t have trouble landing at another solid school.

I agree. I’ve encouraged him to use this as motivation an to take the high road. Keep his head up, continue to do and say the right things. His talent has always been recognized with P4 programs. He’s in a position to know make his reaction to the adversity another point in his favor.

He’s got a good head on his shoulders and will be fine. He’s just understandably disappointed and I don’t think anyone can blame him.

 

[BCClone]

The difference is that a contract was signed. I see your point and realize I’m speaking on technicalities, but this guy made a firm commitment and turned other offers down. He signed with us less than a week before this happened.

Also, if we are working technically, a contract with someone under 18 is not enforcable I believe. So it would not have been valid until his birthday unless his parent signed it.

 

[rochclone]

I agree. I’ve encouraged him to use this as motivation an to take the high road. Keep his head up, continue to do and say the right things. His talent has always been recognized with P4 programs. He’s in a position to know make his reaction to the adversity another point in his favor.

He’s got a good head on his shoulders and will be fine. He’s just understandably disappointed and I don’t think anyone can blame him.

It appears Rodgers is interested in less than 5 of the recruits from 2026. It will really be interesting to see how he puts together next year’s roster.

 

[twincyties]

Also, if we are working technically, a contract with someone under 18 is not enforcable I believe. So it would not have been valid until his birthday unless his parent signed it.

Dude, I get your point. I’m not trying to argue with you or anyone else here.

My response was directed to you trying to equate this to getting recruited over before anything was signed. Those are simply not the same thing in terms is agreements being made between a university and an athlete.

You were arguing on emotional grounds and now talking like an attorney.

I shared this because I think it’s of interest right now and because I’m trying to show the personal side of things for these kids. All the focus is on ones that DONT want to be here and I’m simply sharing a story about one who DID. That’s it.

 

[3TrueFans]

That’s not factually correct. The Grant-in-Aid is an agreement between the athlete and the school.

If it wasn’t the new GM would not have needed to convince this 17 year old kid to rescind his commitment.

I get that, and I know there are rules for the agreement and the player could stay this year, and I think their scholarship is even guaranteed after that, but if their goal was to play and be successful in football then it’s in their best interest to hear the truth.

 

[xr4ticlone]

Funny people saying JR isn’t personable or extroverted. I always assumed that is what would keep MC in Ames.

FTR Tim Floyd basically recruited over JC Holloway 3 years in a row telling him he was gonna be relegated to the bench the next year.

He kept on starting and winning. This isn’t new.

Also understand that there are attitude issues, getting along with other players, team vs me issues…great players aren’t always great teammates.

 

[12191987]

Once again, the money aspect.

Explain the difference between this and when Coach Mac had a scholarship for a kid and the evening before signing day (no early one back then to my knowledge) called up this recruit and said sorry, this better player committed and we are taking them instead. This kid really wanted to go to ISU, other family members had. This kid had to find a school immediately. This stuff has been going on for a while. Having two signing periods and this happening early period is better than what happened to this kid.

It doesn’t sound radically different. It is a low-class move.

That said, back then a kid would have lost two years and would have essentially had one shot to find a new school had he enrolled at ISU. And wasn’t potentially losing hundreds of thousands of dollars in NIL money.

 

[LAClone]

I want to give Rogers a chance to cook before dog-piling him on recruitment.