Proven? I think it'd be wise to see how the 4 team playoff works out before anyone jumps to conclusions about how great the 10 team model is for football purposes.
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Proven? I think it'd be wise to see how the 4 team playoff works out before anyone jumps to conclusions about how great the 10 team model is for football purposes.
While it is true that 10 teams makes an even schedule, I would take replacing OU or Baylor with Cincinnati right now.
We lose three esteemed AAU universities and we're talking about adding an urban commuter school with a 36,000 capacity (OK, soon to be 40,000) stadium? Is this what it's come to?
No.
The Big 12 could have done that last go around when they were actually desperate. Didn't. Now everyone has stability and money--they aren't even going to be looking in that direction. Use that lump on top of your necks, people.
So following your logic, it doesn't matter what the schools academic ranking is or that they have a better basketball history than most schools in our conference or have a football team that's been to 15 bowls, but rather the size of their stadium and where their students come from?
But I can tell for a fact that Pollard is against further expansion of the bg 12, even back to 12 teams. He has publicly stated so and I was there. disagree with him but only I don't get to vote.
You'd better tell their fans about the Bearcats bball history then; they averaged just 8500 fans per game last year (in a 13,200 capacity arena). They also averaged just below 32,000 fans per game in football...
No. All that matters is if they add revenue (tv's). Nothing else. Sorry you are confused.
Better than Baylor, Tech and TCU. No argument for football, small stadium or not, those are not impressive attendance numbers.
Not really confused about anything. I realize that Cincinnati has to compete with OSU and like 5 MAC schools in state of Ohio for eyeballs but to say they're any less of a draw than ISU, KSU, Baylor or TCU is foolish. All those schools are in states with other P5 schools, two have to compete for eyeballs in Texas (9 FBS programs) and they're all worthy of a Big 12 membership, I think Cincy would be too.
If there were some huge reason to expand, hello cincy and BYU/UCF. I've accepted expansion is unlikely, if 12 was somehow or will be somehow critical we probably made a mistake by not trying to add 2 of Pitt/cincy/Louisville along with wvu when we could have. Western growth expansion will always be there, the eastern options are pretty much sealed now.
Who gives a **** about attendance? Do you realize how irrelevant a factor that is when it comes to realignment?
I don't argue that this is dispositive, but it's the best we have: http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/
According to that, Cincinnati is not Big 12 worthy in terms of fanbase. The only realistic options for expansion that might be close are BYU and UConn. Were the conference forced to expand to 12 teams for some reason (highly unlikely), I would hope that we would swallow our pride over a three timezone conference and extend invites to Provo and Storrs.
The Big 12 Northeast division of UConn, West Virginia, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, and Oklahoma State would be a sight to behold.
Alternatively, could go with an East/West division split to get two Texas schools in each division. Maybe a Big 12 East with UConn, Iowa State, West Virginia, Baylor, TCU, and either Oklahoma State or Kansas.
Really? Nebraska would have been invited to the Big Ten while averaging 32,000 fans at football games? Please.
People still pay attention to that guy? How many predictions has he made now that haven't come true? He's like the guy who predicts the world to end every month.
You are comparing cincy to schools that are already in and missing the point. None of the schools listed would get an invite either but they had the fortune to START in a major conference. TCU being a very special exception due to their immediate availability and the XII not wanting another conference with a major foothold in Texas.
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