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***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

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jbhtexas said:
Note to Frank the Tank: The Big Ten still doesn't have a presence in the fertile southern recruiting grounds. As has been posted previously, NU is already bemoaning that fact, now that they've lost their TX connection and can't get the athletes from the existing Big Ten footprint they feel they need to once again become a major football power. Adding Rutgers and Maryland didn't really help that problem, and may have made it worse.

And we all know what happens to conference stability when Nebraska isn't happy...
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I haven't been following Nebby recruiting, but I think they are still getting some Texas kids aren't they?

Besides that, the B1G, like it or not, is still going to be the biggest money making conference (or a very close second) for years and years to come.
 
CarrollCyclone said:
I haven't been following Nebby recruiting, but I think they are still getting some Texas kids aren't they?
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According to the articles posted previously, quantity and quality from TX are down some. Pellini was previously pushing TX recruiting. NU's current roster of 139 has 19 from TX. Pellini had the TX count as high as 27 (or 25 depending where you look) back in 2010-2011.
 
CarrollCyclone said:
I haven't been following Nebby recruiting, but I think they are still getting some Texas kids aren't they?
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According to Rivals, here are recruits out of Texas by year for Nebraska:

2008: 9
2009: 8
2010: 5
--Nebraska joins Big Ten--
2011: 5
2012: 2
2013: 3

And 3 of their 11 commits for 2014 are from TX, but they are all 2*.
 
CyFan61 said:
When/where was this "confirmed"? Dude of WV doesn't count.
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I think I have posted this on here about a dozen times now.

"There is no state law, no Board of Regents policy that would require KU and K-State be members of the same conference," said Kip Peterson, a spokesman for the Kansas Board of Regents. "Looking at the statement released by the board, which is the governing body for K-State and KU, they feel it is in the state's best interest and those institution's best interest for them to remain tied together."
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KU-KSU: 'Til death do us part? | CJOnline.com

Long story short, no legal requirement to stay together. They would like to, but KU isn't going to fall on the sword for KState.
 
Ahhh....expansion thread. I've missed you.

Right now the money works for the Big 12. The league hasn't been left out of the playoff picture and they have dictated change with their new bowl.

Texas could see this league as kind of like the old American League East. Two top dogs and an easy path to the title.
 
CyFan61 said:
According to Rivals, here are recruits out of Texas by year for Nebraska:

2008: 9
2009: 8
2010: 5
--Nebraska joins Big Ten--
2011: 5
2012: 2
2013: 3

And 3 of their 11 commits for 2014 are from TX, but they are all 2*.
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Also, of the 56 players listed on the projected 2013 2-deep NU depth chart from Scout, 7 are from TX. 7/56 = 12.5%. Per the 2013 roster, 19/139 = 13.7%. Of that 139, a bunch are walk-ons from Nebraska, so the percentage of scholarship players from TX is probably higher than 13.7%. It's a very coarse analysis based on a projected depth chart, but it does seem to indicate that the quality of the TX players that NU is getting is nothing spectacular.
 
aeroclone said:
I think I have posted this on here about a dozen times now.



KU-KSU: 'Til death do us part? | CJOnline.com

Long story short, no legal requirement to stay together. They would like to, but KU isn't going to fall on the sword for KState.
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That quote/article is a classic non-statement statement. It's saying nothing to allow them to act either way later.

This means the state could have required the schools to stick together. The statement allows for that action later and lets them remain consistent.

Neither of us can ever know how this would have gone down, which is why I challenged the use of the word "confirmed" referring to a split in the Kansas schools. You have also not "confirmed" this in any sense.

My point isn't that they are tied; just that no one here knows.
 
KnappShack said:
Ahhh....expansion thread. I've missed you.

Right now the money works for the Big 12. The league hasn't been left out of the playoff picture and they have dictated change with their new bowl.

Texas could see this league as kind of like the old American League East. Two top dogs and an easy path to the title.
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What we should all hope for, is that if ISU can't win the conference title then we should hope Texas wins a few national titles. That will keep the conference looking strong and keep Texas happy. And that leaves a bitter taste, but I know who butters our bread.
 
ISUCyclones2015 said:
Also, you guys are crazy to think we would've ended up in a AQ conference if everything went to ****. The only thing that would save us is potentially the BOR ******** at Iowa to ***** at the B1G to take us in. Power 4 = 16 teams each, they might have room. MIGHT.
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What is your deal, you have no freaking clue what you are talking about.
 
IAStubborn said:
What is your deal, you have no freaking clue what you are talking about.
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I'm out of the loop in terms of the "inside skinny" of what was on the table during the heat of re-alignment, but I do remember lot's of fear about what might happen to ISU if the Big 12 imploded. Remember, it wasn't just a question of "which conference should we join?" The other conferences were in flux as well. And timing was everything. I'm inviting a b-slap here, but can anyone help me out while I look into pages and pages O' posts?
 
snowcraig2.0 said:
Jesus Flapjacking ******. Iowa State is a large public research university, soon to be the largest one in the state. We have a great fan support, solid facilities, and are AAU to boot. We are attractive to any conference but the B1G, and the only reason we aren't an option for them is TV rights. The worst we were going to end up Is the Big East, which would have been a decent conference with the Big 12 leftovers.

Some of you must wake up and have to talk yourselves out of slitting your wrists every time you put on your ISU gear.
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Exactly we are top 64 in every metric you can think of...fan base, attendance, market value, performance.... AND we are an AAU university bringing accademic credentials. Could a scenario happen have hapened we get left out, sure. But to say we shouldnt be part of the big 64 teams is assenine and wrong.
 
IAStubborn said:
Exactly we are top 64 in every metric you can think of...fan base, attendance, market value, performance.... AND we are an AAU university bringing accademic credentials. Could a scenario happen have hapened we get left out, sure. But to say we shouldnt be part of the big 64 teams is assenine and wrong.
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I agree with your last sentence whole-heartedly. But the one in bold is what scared the hell out of my back then. I still have various Google-Earth maps I was making for all of the possible landing spots for ISU, and then for the possible additions to the Big 12.
 
CyFan61 said:
That quote/article is a classic non-statement statement. It's saying nothing to allow them to act either way later.

This means the state could have required the schools to stick together. The statement allows for that action later and lets them remain consistent.

Neither of us can ever know how this would have gone down, which is why I challenged the use of the word "confirmed" referring to a split in the Kansas schools. You have also not "confirmed" this in any sense.

My point isn't that they are tied; just that no one here knows.
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The claim keeps getting repeated that the Kansas schools could never split legally or due to the regents or whatever. That is false. I think the quotes there are actually fairly clear. KU will stand with KState to a point, but only if it doesn't leave them on the outside. If it hits the fan and KU has a home, KState will be left behind.
 
trajanJ said:
Actually it was confirmed that KU and K-State are not a combo. They would like to stay together but wouldn't have to if push comes to shove.
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What did I say about that? I said ksu wouldnt go to the B1G in any circumstance. If dirtball KU wants to join the big loser conference with little man complex good riddance You would fit right Iin. We want people who want to be here not assbags like missouri that are always.looking for greener pastures. Figured you woulda learned that lesson.
 
IAStubborn said:
Exactly we are top 64 in every metric you can think of...fan base, attendance, market value, performance.... AND we are an AAU university bringing accademic credentials. Could a scenario happen have hapened we get left out, sure. But to say we shouldnt be part of the big 64 teams is assenine and wrong.
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Iowa State will never be left out.
 
IAStubborn said:
Exactly we are top 64 in every metric you can think of...fan base, attendance, market value, performance.... AND we are an AAU university bringing accademic credentials. Could a scenario happen have hapened we get left out, sure. But to say we shouldnt be part of the big 64 teams is assenine and wrong.
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Were we back in 2010 though? I don't think so...
 
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