***Official Big 12 Expansion Thread '16***
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You missed the point of 8(conference)+2(Power 5 non con) being superior to the current 9+1.
BYU can pound sand, but I still say don't sleep on Houston. My main priority just like every else including pollard is GOR extension.
The thing you keep forgetting is the TV Networks are paying for game inventory and which network televises is based on the home team. So if there are 9 conference games, the Big12 TV rights holder gets that game as part of their Networks inventory.
Under your scenario, replace a Big12 game with a home & home series between ISU and Minnesota. Year 1, FOX under the Big12 contract will televise the game. Year 2, most likely BTN will televise. So both Networks would be giving up inventory they paid for. So FOX/ESPN would be completely justified in saying, Big12 we are dropping your conference rights fee from $200M annually to $185M.
I can't recall the ACC schools, but in the last couple years, two ACC schools played a non-conference game against each other. If a conference is strong and promotes rivalries, a 9th conference game is typically more attractive for fans and TV Networks than a random game against another P5 opponent.
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12 teams playing a ninth conference game - a total of 6 games per year - is the exact same from a media rights standpoint as 12 teams playing a non-con Power 5 team - a total of 6 home games per year. The difference is that the latter is customizable, allowing teams to make adjustments and networks to chime in too (which happens already).
I'm pretty sure this involved Pitt or Louisville and was a non-con game scheduled when they were in the Big East. But if you can find the game to show otherwise, that would be interesting and relevant.
Home Attendance for Expansion Candidates (Week 2):
@ Houston - 39,402
@ South Florida - 36,557
@ Tulane - 27,179
@ Air Force - 24,173
@ Colorado State - 20,673
Big 12 Home Attendance (Week 2):
@ Texas - 92,863
@ Oklahoma - 87,037
@ TCU - 48,091
@ OK State - 52,523
@ Baylor - 45,499
@ West Virginia - 56,261
@ Kansas - 28,467
@ Houston - 39,402
@ South Florida - 36,557
@ Tulane - 27,179
@ Air Force - 24,173
@ Colorado State - 20,673
Big 12 Home Attendance (Week 2):
@ Texas - 92,863
@ Oklahoma - 87,037
@ TCU - 48,091
@ OK State - 52,523
@ Baylor - 45,499
@ West Virginia - 56,261
@ Kansas - 28,467
Ultimately home attendance, while nice, isnt exactly the major matter of importance.
That tells us how much money they are making, not how much money they'll be making the big 12. Also all of them will have their numbers shifted by joining a major conference, how much is probably variable.
Houston probably stands to gain the most from joining attendance-wise. Thats a lot of extra attendance from TX\OK fans.
That tells us how much money they are making, not how much money they'll be making the big 12. Also all of them will have their numbers shifted by joining a major conference, how much is probably variable.
Houston probably stands to gain the most from joining attendance-wise. Thats a lot of extra attendance from TX\OK fans.
Moved not too long ago on ESPN
Boren: Big 12 expansion 'not a given'
If Big 12 goes through this whole freak-show and doesn't expand, it'll move from goofy to ridiculous.
Maybe his point is it won't automatically happen in time for October meeting. Even with that — what's the delay?
Boren: Big 12 expansion 'not a given'
If Big 12 goes through this whole freak-show and doesn't expand, it'll move from goofy to ridiculous.
Maybe his point is it won't automatically happen in time for October meeting. Even with that — what's the delay?
Big 12 stability begins and ends with OU and UT. They could make this conference great, but act like little children.
Not if this is a standoff with the networks for them to give more money without the conference expanding.
I think this is a valid argument, when you look at some of the other major candidates, BYU is the most p5 program but I think they have reached their peak from a brand standpoint. For religious and political reasons, they are aiming at a limited fan base and have little room to grow that fan base. Houston would mimic the TCU move, decent brand name but they'll always be the 3rd most popular team in their own city. UCF isn't the obvious choice but it could have the most potential of all the candidates.
Couldn't B12 have negotiated directly (still with the "treat" of expansion), without the public grandstanding? Maybe I underestimate the media saturation effect.
