***Official Big 12 Expansion Thread '16***
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This isn't the 80's or 90's. These fans know they are in the running for a promotion. This is their best shot for the foreseeable future and ISU will draw more than both combined. Horrible effort.
Speaking of horrible effort....hello, Colorado State
Watching the first quarter of the Colorado vs Colorado State game.
WOW does CSU suck! This should remove all discussion of adding CSU to the B12.
WOW does CSU suck! This should remove all discussion of adding CSU to the B12.
Eh, ya gotta think long term potential. BYU, Houston, & Cincy bring plenty of competition.
Wasn't a Big 12 coach quoted saying, WTH is a travel partner? I still don't know what a travel partner is but everyone keeps saying let's get WVU a travel partner. They don't travel together so what the heck is a travel partner?
That was Bobby Huggins. "Travel Partner" is a bad term. "Neighbor" would be better suited. A regional rival to help establish geographic cultural identity.
Yeah, that makes significantly more sense than "travel partner". Curious why that term is even used.
Not sure how you came up with this conclusion. B12 Presidents and ADs don't want to dilute the quality of the league with 4 G5 schools (Leath has addressed this publicly) and they definitely don't want to lessen their ability to maximize the pro rata clause payouts by expanding with 4 schools.
I've seen a few posts state that the Big 12 should jump to 14 teams because that's what the ACC, Big 10 and SEC have. The ACC actually has 15 schools, not 14 (Although Notre Dame should only count as 1/2).
(Before you ask: Boston College, Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Miami, North Carolina, NC State, Notre Dame, Pitt, Syracuse, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest)
Just thought it was worth pointing out that we don't have to go to an even number of members. In fact, that could be a mutual agreement between BYU and the Big 12 for them to be a 13th team (similar to Notre Dame's schedule in the ACC) and we add Houston and Cincy as full members.
(Before you ask: Boston College, Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Miami, North Carolina, NC State, Notre Dame, Pitt, Syracuse, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest)
Just thought it was worth pointing out that we don't have to go to an even number of members. In fact, that could be a mutual agreement between BYU and the Big 12 for them to be a 13th team (similar to Notre Dame's schedule in the ACC) and we add Houston and Cincy as full members.
I believe it was originally thought up as a way to make it easier for other teams in the conference in non-football sports where there's more travel. The idea being if you had 2 nearby schools, it might make sense to hit one, then stay nearby, then hit the other on the same trip. For instance, if you hit Baylor and then had a travel day, and then TCU or Texas on the same trip, it might make things more economical.
You can't have an odd number of conference games with an odd number of teams.
The idea was that BYU would be similar to Notre Dame and would play fewer Big 12 conference games - a concession to gain stability and join a P5 conference. N.D. only plays 5 ACC conference games this year. BYU could play 5 or 7 conference games while everyone else in the Big 12 conference plays their division and BYU would be available in the list of cross-divisional teams to fill up the 9 game conference schedule.
The only traction Colorado State has is that there still appears to be a large contingent of ISU/Big 12 fans. Is that a carry-over from Colorado's past membership or is Colorado just a prime location for jobs that Big 12 universities specialize in? CSU facilities, while improved, still would rank last in the Big 12 conference. In fact, that 41,000 capacity stadium is only 36,000 seats, the rest is standing room. I still think there may be some value in adding CSU, as Colorado was able to find success in the past. I just think CSU is an option if the conference goes to 14 teams or more.
http://www.coloradoan.com/story/sports/2015/11/12/colorado-state-football-home-attendance
So they average 26,500 butts in the seats for home games in the last decade.
This dog and pony show is embarrassing. Cincinnati, UCONN, and CSU don't draw. Houston barely draws.
So the league thinks the fans will dramatically increase their support when the Big 12 circus comes to town??? There's a reason these schools are not P5
There are only three candidates from that list who you could argue won't water down the conference (from a football standpoint): BYU, Cincinnati, Houston. I will pass on the rest of the field. The Big 12 needs to go after P5 schools.
It's amusing watching all the CSU hate coming from fans of a program which hasn't won more than three games since 2012, and not been more than a single game over .500 in sixteen seasons.
No one is saying CSU (or any other school with a less than full house on Saturdays) will suddenly be SRO for games in year one of Big 12 membership. Everything that builds will take time. Stop being so short-sighted already. Who do you think will want to join this league that doesn't already draw well and have a good revenue source from their current league? You really think we're going to poach someone 'big'? You're dreaming. Every single school, with the exception of maybe BYU, is going to be at least a modest project and will need to grow into its Big 12 status. There are no other options if this league is going to expand. You HAVE to look at the schools with the most potential.
No one is saying CSU (or any other school with a less than full house on Saturdays) will suddenly be SRO for games in year one of Big 12 membership. Everything that builds will take time. Stop being so short-sighted already. Who do you think will want to join this league that doesn't already draw well and have a good revenue source from their current league? You really think we're going to poach someone 'big'? You're dreaming. Every single school, with the exception of maybe BYU, is going to be at least a modest project and will need to grow into its Big 12 status. There are no other options if this league is going to expand. You HAVE to look at the schools with the most potential.
