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They had a tornado warning for Hazleton this afternoon where we live when there clearly was not one. If there was an actual tornado our response would have absolutely been different.

Whether the tornado was spotted by a spotter or spotted by radar, you should be seeking shelter either way. You don't always have the luxury of someone seeing the tornado and calling it in. So no, the response should not be different.
 
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Tornadoes can be rain wrapped, occur over sparsely populated areas, broken terrain, or you know, occur at night all of which make getting visual reports difficult.
August 28th, 1990. Plainfield tornado. There is no actual video of this EF5 tornado that killed 29 people and injured 353 because it was rain wrapped. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there was the ability back then to determine a "radar indicated" tornado. The tornado touched down at 3:15p, and the first warning wasn't issued until a few minutes later.

So yeah, if there's a radar indicated tornado and I'm possibly in the path, I'm seeking shelter.
 
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Go read SPC reports after the fact if that's what you care about. Telling people there's a tornado when it's already hitting them isn't exactly helpful. Folks in this thread are trying to set tornado warnings back by 40 years.
People should absolutely be alerted to a severely increased likelihood.

If the NWS treats it as the same thing as an actual tornado, people will naturally take the warning less seriously.
 
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People are starting to see it as crying wolf. That’s a problem. A distinction alleviates that.

You might be right, but you aren’t taking real basic human nature into account.

Or that "distinction" might cause them to ignore the radar-indicated ones and not treat it with the same seriousness necessary.

Just because some idiots might view it as "crying wolf" doesn't mean we should do everything to cater to that subset.
 
Or that "distinction" might cause them to ignore the radar-indicated ones and not treat it with the same seriousness necessary.

Just because some idiots might view it as "crying wolf" doesn't mean we should do everything to cater to that subset.
They’re already ignoring it. If you don’t see that as a problem, I guess you don’t.
 
It’s been going on 10-15 years it seems. Most people I know don’t even heed it unless there’s a funnel on the ground. It has completely diluted the distinction IMO.

I get wanting to inform people of the potential, but I feel like Tornado Watch and Severe Thunderstorm warnings cover that.
My hometown has stopped sounding the tornado siren unless there is a tornado on the ground as too many people were ignoring the siren. Now we know if the siren goes off better take shelter as **** is about to get real. Unless it's noon on saturday.
 
That’s what’s happening now I believe. Warnings should be limited to on-ground tornadoes. Or just make an up front distinction somehow
Just for arguments sake: you’d rather have a tornado warning after the twister forms and plows through your neighborhood vs being warned a tornado is about to form/drop
 
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People are starting to see it as crying wolf. That’s a problem. A distinction alleviates that.

You might be right, but you aren’t taking real basic human nature into account.
Beyond the explicit statement of radar indicated and observed?

And in addition to Tornado Emergency?

People already confuse Tornado Watch vs Warning.
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Feels weird to have 35-40mph gusts from the East while storms are coming from the west at 70.o_O
 
Highest rain total I see is just a shade under 2 inches in Corning. If you ignore the 13 inch rain on wundermap northwest of Des Moines.


edit: Saw Guthrie center 3 inches.
 
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Just for arguments sake: you’d rather have a tornado warning after the twister forms and plows through your neighborhood vs being warned a tornado is about to form/drop
No.

Just a term that differentiates between a confirmed funnel on the ground and one that’s extremely possible.

Have NWS issue a separate Tornado Confirmation. Warning means what it does now, Confirmation means what warning did 20 years ago.