***Official 2016 Transfer Thread***
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In DeAndre Kane's words, we are "FocusTown." Also, we were the original TransferU, before TransferU was cool.
ISU nationally has a rep of taking players who had rough patches at their previous schools and getting them to succeed in Ames. Evidenced by consecuative NCOY awards. Prohm has continued the tradition with Burton last year and has a good chance this year with Jackson.
National media still references ISU with transfer success.
Just today...
@JonRothstein Travis Ford is using the same model at Saint Louis that Fred Hoiberg used at Iowa State. Billikens building for big jump in year two.
What do you mean by rough patches? Jackson is a JUCO. Not really the same. I would say this years equivalent are Holden, Bowie and Babb.
I don't think ISU is anything special when it comes to getting division one transfers anymore. It has become so prevalent that everyone but Iowa seems to be going after guys including the blue bloods.
What rough patch did Burton have? He's kind of like the classic transfer. New coach comes in, some players want out or are "asked" to get out.
The "Transfer U" thing is fading for two reasons. Fred is gone, and now there are several successful programs routinely re-loading by taking transfers.
Our last 3 transfers have not been highly recruited (Holden, Babb, Bowie). They are more role player types, so I'm not sure we are still thought as a top destination for transfers anymore.
Our last 3 transfers have not been highly recruited (Holden, Babb, Bowie). They are more role player types, so I'm not sure we are still thought as a top destination for transfers anymore.
This. It was fun while it lasted, and we'll still get them in here, but the top transfer school thing left with Fred. And quite honestly, even if Fred was still here, it would probably be the same case with the amount of top programs now opening up their doors more for transfers.
Very few of the transfers we got under Fred were highly touted. Royce was the only highly ranked one really.
Might want to double check that statement. Several of the transfers under Fred were highly touted.
Anthony Booker, Chris Allen, Deonte Burton, BDJ, Korie Lucious were all four star recruits coming out of HS. McKay was a four star coming out of Juco. Royce was a five star. Fred and company did work on the recruiting trail. Clyburn and Kane were both proven big time scorers at the collegiate level.
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I don't think Transfer U was ever a thing, and it's bothers me when people say that. I pay quite a bit of attention to CBB for gambling, and I don't think ISU has really stood apart as a transfer destination except for one season. Also, it bothers me when people call it a market, because if it's a market, it's still not a fair market.
TransferU got big under Fred, then Oregon copied the mold. Now most teams do it and the number of transfers nationally has went up since.
TransferU was the reputation of Fred, not Iowa State. When Fred left, that reputation left.
Transfer U is a real thing and that's who we were from 2010-2012. Then everyone started swagger-jackin' Fred's moves :smile:. It also doesn't help that 600 kids are transferring these days either. And it really is a market, almost like free agency. Much less work than recruiting (hints why Fred liked it) and typically they want to make a quick pick of which school they will attend next.
Jackson is a JuCo as such is eligible for NCOY which I was referring too. I'd argue a JuCo player is more like a traditional transfer coming in at age 20 than a freshman.
I'd consider a rough patch Burton disagreeing with his role and position on the team, going through the loss of his mother and transferring out after a few games under Wojo. Obvious other "rough patch" transfers that ISU has taken in Allen, Lucious, Royce and Kane. All came with baggage of varying degrees and were removed from their previous team (Kane grad transfer but Marshal coach had friction) and succeeded tremendously. Next year ISU will have Holden, Bowie, Babb, Burton and Jackson all transfers contributing in the top 8 rotation.
I do agree that ISU isn't the destination for top transfers it was 4-5 years ago. Two reason for that I see out side of CFH. The market is much more competitive, and ISU has more talent on the current eligible roster than when Fred first took over and was able to take calculated risks at an ISU basketball low point. At the time the transfer market was untapped and bluebloods like Duke, KU, and MSU weren't anywhere near as active in recruiting top talent sit out transfers. At the time Fred could offer immediate major playing time to the big time transfers. Due to getting players like Georges Monte, Naz and Matt 4 year players who get 20+ minutes limits the attractiveness to 1 and 1 type transfers. When Allen, Royce, C. Babb transferred in they were penciled in as starters the current roster is in much better shape and doesn't offer the same opportunity thus they are choosing other programs to play right away. This is a good thing, though it makes this thread a little less interesting.
Junior college kids and other transfers still require some recruiting effort. But, 4 jucos/transfers just moved on from the 2015/16 roster rotation, and there are currently 5 so far for the 2016/17 rotation, with 1 scholarship still open. That's a lot of playing time for short-timer upper classmen players that were not recruited out of high school. Fred left Prohm with roster problems because he never weened the team off the transfer train. Whether that is good or bad or otherwise is subject to debate with a broader scope of only wins/losses. Remains to be seen whether Prohm will continue the practice once he's had a couple years.
Disagree with this. There isn't a roster problem bc of relying on transfers JUCO or D1. This is by design and not some flaw. Prohm has said himself he will continue to go after a combo of HS, JUCO and transfers. That is the way to get the best talent possible to Ames and not have down years. It would only stop if ISU could recruit at an elite level for HS players but I don see that happening anytime soon and I still think they would go after good transfers in that case as well bc everyone does now. Like I said, the only holdouts seem to be some Big 10 schools like Iowa and Wisconsin. And look at Iowa's roster next year... Ouch
The only way ISU stops pursuing transfers is if the NCAA stops it but I don't see that happening.
