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madguy30 said:
Is it usually for the better, i.e. less effective?

Also, any idea of how long it generally takes to mutate to a lesser level?

I think I quoted/replied to you another time, but SARS 1.0 waned off after 1.5 years iirc.
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In general coronavirus mutations tend to be harmful to the organism itself. Which is why vaccines for coronaviruses are so rare. They tend to die out before a vaccine is developed.
 
cycloneG said:
This Coronavirus Doesn't Change Quickly, And That's Good News For Vaccine Makers

"There's nothing alarming about the way the coronavirus is mutating or the speed at which it's mutating," says Emma Hodcroft, a molecular epidemiologist at the University of Basel in Switzerland. "We don't think this will be a problem [for vaccines] in the short term."

"To date, there have been very few mutations observed," says Peter Thielen, a senior scientist at Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Laboratory. "And any mutations that we do see are likely not having an effect on the function of the virus itself."

"The targets for vaccine design today remain the same as we would have designed them in January," he says.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...uickly-and-thats-good-news-for-vaccine-makers
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You said “This virus isn’t mutating.” I posted a link refuting that. Don’t change the narrative. https://www.popsci.com/story/health/covid-19-coronavirus-mutates-changes/
 
Acylum said:
You said “This virus isn’t mutating.” I posted a link refuting that. Don’t change the narrative. https://www.popsci.com/story/health/covid-19-coronavirus-mutates-changes/
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I don't think he's changing the narrative all that much...just expanding on it. I think the last paragraph in these excerpts from your article is the take-away we should all have.

From your article:

“The rate at which this virus is mutating or evolving is not unexpected; it’s exactly what we would expect for a virus like this,” says Nathan Grubaugh, a virologist at the Yale School of Public Health in New Haven, Connecticut. “All viruses continuously evolve and there shouldn’t be anything alarming about the process in general.”
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"Viruses do mutate at a particularly high rate, especially ones like SARS-CoV-2 that use RNA for their genetic material. Unlike organisms that use DNA, these viruses don’t have the ability to fix mistakes that happen when they copy their genetic code. This means that RNA viruses tend to evolve more quickly than other organisms, says Richard Kuhn, a virologist and director of the Purdue Institute of Inflammation, Immunology and Infectious Disease in West Lafayette, Indiana.

However, the bulk of the mutations that appear as a virus spreads are either harmful to the virus itself (meaning it is less likely to survive or replicate) or don’t change how it functions. Additionally, the two characteristics that are of most concern right now—how contagious the virus is and how harmful it is to its hosts—are controlled by multiple genes, Grubaugh says. Changing these characteristics is a complicated process, and not often the work of a single mutation. So the odds of the virus mutating in such a way that it actually becomes more lethal or contagious over the timescale of weeks, months, or even a couple years aren’t very high."
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"Coronaviruses can undergo major changes that make them more of a threat to people. After all, the ancestors of SARS-CoV-2 were only able to infect non-human animals. The virus did eventually mutate so it could transmit from animals to humans. But it probably didn’t gain this ability in one fell swoop. “These events happen over the course of many, many years,” Grubaugh says.

The new coronavirus has changed in subtle ways since the outbreak began in the city of Wuhan in China. On March 3, scientists in China reported that they’d identified two separate strains of SARS-CoV-2. However, these two versions of the virus are nearly identical overall, Grubaugh says. One does not seem more deadly than the other, and a vaccine for one would also protect against the other.
 
ImJustKCClone said:
I don't think he's changing the narrative all that much...just expanding on it. I think the last paragraph in these excerpts from your article is the take-away we should all have.

From your article:

“The rate at which this virus is mutating or evolving is not unexpected; it’s exactly what we would expect for a virus like this,” says Nathan Grubaugh, a virologist at the Yale School of Public Health in New Haven, Connecticut. “All viruses continuously evolve and there shouldn’t be anything alarming about the process in general.”
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"Viruses do mutate at a particularly high rate, especially ones like SARS-CoV-2 that use RNA for their genetic material. Unlike organisms that use DNA, these viruses don’t have the ability to fix mistakes that happen when they copy their genetic code. This means that RNA viruses tend to evolve more quickly than other organisms, says Richard Kuhn, a virologist and director of the Purdue Institute of Inflammation, Immunology and Infectious Disease in West Lafayette, Indiana.

However, the bulk of the mutations that appear as a virus spreads are either harmful to the virus itself (meaning it is less likely to survive or replicate) or don’t change how it functions. Additionally, the two characteristics that are of most concern right now—how contagious the virus is and how harmful it is to its hosts—are controlled by multiple genes, Grubaugh says. Changing these characteristics is a complicated process, and not often the work of a single mutation. So the odds of the virus mutating in such a way that it actually becomes more lethal or contagious over the timescale of weeks, months, or even a couple years aren’t very high."
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"Coronaviruses can undergo major changes that make them more of a threat to people. After all, the ancestors of SARS-CoV-2 were only able to infect non-human animals. The virus did eventually mutate so it could transmit from animals to humans. But it probably didn’t gain this ability in one fell swoop. “These events happen over the course of many, many years,” Grubaugh says.

The new coronavirus has changed in subtle ways since the outbreak began in the city of Wuhan in China. On March 3, scientists in China reported that they’d identified two separate strains of SARS-CoV-2. However, these two versions of the virus are nearly identical overall, Grubaugh says. One does not seem more deadly than the other, and a vaccine for one would also protect against the other.
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All RNA virus mutations are “subtle changes”. The word “mutation” in a lot of articles is designed to instill fear. The fact is viruses are not living organisms- their mutations happen completely by accident or error, not some insidious desire to become stronger or more deadly. So when somebody says SARSCov2 is “not mutating” when in fact it has (9-13 times depending on who you believe) I feel I have the right to call them out.
 
Acylum said:
All RNA virus mutations are “subtle changes”. The word “mutation” in a lot of articles is designed to instill fear. The fact is viruses are not living organisms- their mutations happen completely by accident or error, not some insidious desire to become stronger or more deadly. So when somebody says SARSCov2 is “not mutating” when in fact it has (9-13 times depending on who you believe) I feel I have the right to call them out.
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Call out as much as you want. Anyone following the conversation knows what was meant but continue on your grand crusade.
 
Acylum said:
Okay I'll bite- what did you mean by "not mutating"?
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First paragraph of the article I linked.

Scientists are monitoring the virus that causes COVID-19 for genetic changes that could make a vaccine ineffective. But so far, they're not seeing any.

Here's the post I was responding to

All the money in the world being shot at a virus that can shift is like shooting a bb gun at a freight train. There is a reason why the common cold still festers every.....stinking......year.
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cycloneG said:
First paragraph of the article I linked.

Scientists are monitoring the virus that causes COVID-19 for genetic changes that could make a vaccine ineffective. But so far, they're not seeing any.

Here's the post I was responding to
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And your post I responded to you "editted". I rest my case.
 
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