NEW Star Wars Teaser!!!!
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This is called "Machete Order".
http://www.nomachetejuggling.com/2011/11/11/the-star-wars-saga-suggested-viewing-order/
You can also amend this by including the last 15-20 minutes of Episode 1 before watching Episode 2. This way you get to watch one of the best light saber battles in the whole series.
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You certainly made a case why he might have kept it, but I don't think you were all that convincing why we should assume he did.
A father he never knew, nor had a relationship with except a) adversarial for the last 5 years of his life, or b) redemption in the last 4 minutes of his life. Without going into EU Jedi crap, we never see the "keeping a memento of someone he loved trait expressed in Luke's personality. He doesn't keep anything to remember Owen and Beru. After Ben's death, he doesn't go back to the cabin in the Wastes to get a remembrance. He doesn't grab anything from Yoda's hut once Yoda melted. All of those people were arguably far more important to Luke than Anakin was. They were at least more formative.
The EU makes it even more solid that he wouldn't have kept the helmet as a memento. When Qui Gon taught the Jedi the trick to becoming a force ghost, only those who "became one with the force" moved on to that state. Being one with the force required your body to disappear. The armor that Luke burned was empty, according to the EU lore. Literally, we couldn't have seen Anakin at the end of Jedi if his body had not faded.
Additionally, if you're going to keep a memento of Vader, why the most recognizable helmet in the Universe? Not only is that thing huge and hard to carry easily, it's instantly recognizable as who it belonged to. If we're assuming that Luke kept a memento, that helmet would be the worst choice he could have made. You don't just tuck that thing into your belt and carry it around, and as of the end of Jedi, Luke is pretty much homeless. He's definitely at least fitting the role of an aesthetic at this point. More on the recognizably when it becomes more pertinent.
True enough that they didn't try to stop him, but, and I admit that this is fully an EU argument, so I'm perfectly fine if you dismiss it out of hand. Luke was famous after the Battle of Endor for being the dude who killed Vader, and the story they told everyone was that he killed the Sith in a lightsaber duel. He was also credited with the death of the Emperor. So Vader wouldn't have been assumed dead in the DS blast. He would have been known dead in a lightsaber duel.
True enough, I grant you this.
Again, Luke and Leia become known siblings, but not known children of Vader (though the Nogrhi insistence on calling her the Daughter of Vader make things awkward). But here's the thing: Endor wasn't a known populated planet. I don't think you could argue that there was an expectation of anyone ever going to Endor to discover the helmet.
They could pull a Lucas and slap a "special edition" on the title. When everyone sits through the first ten minutes and realizes it's a completely new ****** and cast, and not just a few added special effects, the roof would blow off the place.
Getting Lucas to hand over the keys to the franchise had to be hard, but I think it will be the best thing for it. He's a visionary special effects and sound guy who had one really great idea for a story. I don't think of him as a good director, producer, or screenwriter at all, and most of the problems people have with the franchise stem from Lucas' insistence on controlling those roles to control the story, turn it into action figure gold, and include a cliffhanger to make sure he gets to do it again.
Ewoks, FFS!
Ewoks, FFS!
Actually, Endor was a gas giant, the closest to planet to Ibleam in the Moddell sector of the Outer Rim (specifically Inner Zuma region).
But seriously, good catch. Think my point still stands.
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This. And the fact that every storm trooper is a clone of boba fett. And they all of a sudden all have an accent. Stupid. The one hope I have is that George Lucas is not in charge of the new movies.
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I'd love to see the whole story reworked, Dark Knight style. The kernel of an epic saga is there. Even with all the missteps, it still resonates through the mess. It just needs to be done with a more adult focus.
Wait... aren't you in your 30's? How is this possible? I thought every child of the 80's was required to watch Star Wars. I suppose you never saw ET or Goonies either?
Thankfully, we no longer have to rely on messy EU literature to draw logical conclusions. I'll simplify my argument: Luke was alone at the funeral pyre = he kept the helmet. It really doesn't matter why.
This is an assumption that he's had the helmet for 30 years. It's just as possible that it is a flashback scene or that the story takes luke back to the site of the pyre 30 years later.
The original clone troopers / storm troopers would all be too old, at least the original batch. They were at least 20 years old when Luke is born, he's at least 24 by the time of RoTJ, then this film is 30 years after that. So they're 74+, and that's before we consider that they were genetically modified to age more quickly than normal humans. We know there was at least one other "batch" being made per the Kaminoans, but they would still probably be the equivalent of 100+ years old, so either dead or in the Imperial Nursing Home.
If you only stick to the movies are canon (I do), then we really don't know for sure where the new batch of stormtroopers came from. Shoot, even by Episode IV, probably half were non-clones, or at least it's possible.
So you could have stormtroopers of different races, backgrounds.... genders??
Prior to this thread, Jim Morrison is the only person I've ever heard or seen use the term funeral pyre. Instantly bumps the thread up at least a few coolness points.
Before the prequels part of Boba Fett's off screen mystery was that he was supposedly wearing old military armor from the Clone Wars, the only real mention on screen is Leia saying 'you fought with my father in the Clone Wars'.
My own take is that Lucas wanted to put a twist in it that Boba Fett wasn't just wearing armer from that time, but that there was a much deeper connection to that character. I don't like what he did at all, but I think it was done by trying to tie things together that didn't need to be tied together. Turned what could have been a cool detail into a lame part of the plot.
Thanks for bringing this to the forefront, guys! I've often wondered how to reconcile Ep. I with the rest of the Saga. It seems so out of place. Solution? Omit it!
I'm excited to try this so called "machete order"
(side note: apparently a guy from a blog called nomachetejuggling.com popularized this and it was referenced on Big Bang Theory. I had never seen it before but I just found the clip
[video=youtube;keSFjjhUyVA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keSFjjhUyVA[/video]
Edit: Sheldon's question in the clip is quite literally the one part of Phantom Menace that I would miss, the rise of Palpatine to Power. That and the Duel of the Fates.
