My only complaint - the wildcat

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Montgomery was a QB in HS, gotta imagine he still has so.what of an arm... then again maybe that's why he's a running back

I doubt he has Lanning's type of arm though. Lanning had it at least a bit on a rope.
 

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My (small) complaints-
1. Going into halftime, receiving a kick with 0:05 on the clock.. if the plan is to run out the clock why not tell Kene to just attempt a return to run out the clock? That has more of a chance of a big play than a Kene sweep backed up to our own end zone.

2. There was a bad spot on 2nd or 3rd down which should have been challenged. We came away with no points on that one
How about the pop up kick offs early in the 2nd half.... giving OU the ball on about the 35-40 yd line 3 times in a row? What was that all about?

I think it was a risk reward thing knowing they have some return talent?
 

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I’ve been complaining about this weird fascination Campbell has with the Wildcat all season. Have we even had a play yet where we gain positive yards from it?
 

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If they are going to keep running the Wildcat they need to throw out of it or hand off to someone else because right now defenses have seen nothing but DM run out of it. This formation is supposed to have the defense guessing but it's too predictable with how we've used it so far
 
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Our OL never gives the wildcat a chance.

We are definitely using it to set up plays for later... But there have been a few times where we could have used those plays (either a D Jones sweep or Montgomery Pass). Montgomery up the middle with no hole to run through is getting incredibly frustrating.

My (small) complaints-
1. Going into halftime, receiving a kick with 0:05 on the clock.. if the plan is to run out the clock why not tell Kene to just attempt a return to run out the clock? That has more of a chance of a big play than a Kene sweep backed up to our own end zone.

2. There was a bad spot on 2nd or 3rd down which should have been challenged. We came away with no points on that one

I agree it isn't the play it is the execution by the OL that makes it go nowhere. Maybe a wrinkle out of that formation would back teams up a bit. Probably should have DM run the option out of that formation, because I know he can do that from watching his HS highlights. ISU needs a short yardage play it can make with a not very good OL. Not an easy task.

I was sure that Kene was going to take that KO out of the endzone with 5 seconds left. Really surprised that OU even gave him a chance. In the end it would have most likely been stopped at the 15, but that was a missed opportunity in my book.

Playing around with the OL going into Iowa was probably it biggest mistake that CMC has made since he has been at ISU. Iowa is very good, but JGJ was much better at the tackle spot and the center did fine against OU. OL still has a lot of work to do to get to okay.
 

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If they are going to keep running the Wildcat they need to throw out of it or hand off to someone else because right now defenses have seen nothing but DM run out of it. This formation is supposed to have the defense guessing but it's too predictable with how we've used it so far

This is my whole problem with it. It doesn't work as we're running it right now. But supposedly we're setting it all up to pull a surprise on someone down the road.

That can't be the philosophy behind it, right? Please tell me no. Would you seriously run a play several times in key situations when you know it's not likely to work, just to hope to spring some surprise on someone down the road? I hope not.

You never know, but running that play when we did against Iowa might have cost us a TD in a VERY tight game, and yesterday it killed a couple drives too I think, and we lost by only 10.

In the section I was sitting in, when everyone saw those 4 players all go in motion with DM going into shotgun as the QB, they were all yelling "No, no, no!".

Did we ever run this last year? I'm seriously asking because I don't know.
 
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That truly was mind boggling. I don’t get that one.

Kicking the other direction, Francis was putting them through the endzone.

I understand there might have been a slight breeze in his face kicking to the south, but that would have probably put his kickoff about right to the goal line, instead of through the endzone, which is ideal IMO. Putting the ball to the 1 yd line on a kickoff is probably the best place to put it.
 

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If they are going to keep running the Wildcat they need to throw out of it or hand off to someone else because right now defenses have seen nothing but DM run out of it. This formation is supposed to have the defense guessing but it's too predictable with how we've used it so far
Exactly, and it exemplifies our overall tendency to be a little too transparent and suboptimal use of available counters.
 

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Exactly, and it exemplifies our overall tendency to be a little too transparent and suboptimal use of available counters.

Completely agree. Outside of hopefully Incarnate Word, Akron, and maybe KU... I'm not sure that we can just line up and overpower other teams with this OL, and that's what CMC has stubbornly tried to establish so far this season in two games.

In the wildcat, that's all we've attempted to do so far. Run right up the gut with power football against probably two of the best DL's we'll see all year. Not the brightest move in the book.

I understand CMC wants us to become the power running team in the conference at some point, but we're not there yet with this OL as constructed. We have the athletes at the skill positions to abuse opposing teams on the edges, or in the counter game, or the horizontal passing game with WR screens, quick slants into open spaces across the middle, etc..... but we've been stubbornly trying to establish this between the tackles running game against two of the better defenses we'll see all year. It hasn't worked.

It could work against the lesser teams on our schedule, but not at Iowa in game one or against OU.
 
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Montgomery was a QB in HS, gotta imagine he still has so.what of an arm... then again maybe that's why he's a running back
I thought maybe they would try and throw it, pass pass or something. I get if they want to set it up, but in the mean time, it has cost them potential points in these two games.
 

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If they are going to keep running the Wildcat they need to throw out of it or hand off to someone else because right now defenses have seen nothing but DM run out of it. This formation is supposed to have the defense guessing but it's too predictable with how we've used it so far

Or run a couple passing plays with Zeb out of the pre shift formation with 5 spilt to the 1 side.
 

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This is my whole problem with it. It doesn't work as we're running it right now. But supposedly we're setting it all up to pull a surprise on someone down the road.

That can't be the philosophy behind it, right? Please tell me no. Would you seriously run a play several times in key situations when you know it's not likely to work, just to hope to spring some surprise on someone down the road? I hope not.

You never know, but running that play when we did against Iowa might have cost us a TD in a VERY tight game, and yesterday it killed a couple drives too I think, and we lost by only 10.

In the section I was sitting in, when everyone saw those 4 players all go in motion with DM going into shotgun as the QB, they were all yelling "No, no, no!".

Did we ever run this last year? I'm seriously asking because I don't know.
You read my mind. Probably should've read through all this before my most recent post.
 

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Thought about this... Every team left has film on that where DM and only DM got the ball. But that formation had SO many play makers in it. I think if they work on it they can have multiple play-makers touch the ball from 1 formation. Players, plays, formations. This one may pay dividends deeper in conference play.
Pass.
 

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Someone should go back and find all the posts of people wanting the Wildcat in years past.

I don't have a problem with it. It hasn't worked all that well, but it was only our second game. 2nd game against some pretty good defenses.